View Single Post
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2008, 01:04 PM
BoKnows's Avatar
BoKnows BoKnows is offline
Got Oil?Just Drill!
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: A Mile High
Posts: 1,064
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish2006 View Post
Actually, these are not unreasonable arguments. It will actually take me a little time to think through them. The best way to win an argument with me is to give me facts and help me learn something :) - if that is your goal.

I think the leverage thing I wrote wasn't as nuanced as yours. I think most people understand that if you allow, say, an internal trading desk at Goldman, Bear, Lehman (!) to borrow money to buy CDOs at 1% down (i.e. 100x leverage), you are making certain assumptions about the risk of those CDOs. And you are right, it works both ways, as from what I understand, it was Goldman that actually popped the housing bubble by going hard short and super leveraged just as the housing was starting to crack - but I could be mistaken.

The real root of the problem, when I really think about it, was rating agencies (Moody's et. al.) slapping the AAA label on CDO debt fraudulently. In an environment where there is little *cough* reality around actual risk assessment, allowing super high leverage (i.e. 10x and higher) is really fucking dangerous. Until we get evidence that Moddys, Fitch, and others are actually paying attention to whats going on and not just lapdogging for investment banks whose securities they grade, I think leverage has to be limited.

I agree that leverage is just a tool - it is borrowing money. The real question is "for what". Leverage to buy a home or start a business where a.) the risks are at least reasonable understood and b.) there is at least some level of skin in the game that is meaningful == good. Leverage of 100x on securities that you can't even price (hence, what they used to call "mark to model"), let alone price on a RAROC basis (risk adjusted return on capital), well, thats bad.

Back to the administration, and by that I mean going all the way from Bush (where the buck stops, remember) - to the SEC and the chain of command in between - should have stopped this years ago. Limitations on capital ratios for leverage, not allowing high leverage on securities you can't even price efficiently - would have stopped this. It didn't, and as a result, we are all paying a tax, through a lower dollar, and worse, through a government bailout of the players involved - which in the end, is simply borrowing from our kids to pay for not allowing the free market to handle these entities that fucked everything up in the first place.

Ok, now for energy. I personally think government is the last entity that should refresh the grid. But I think some leadership to mandate a lot of things that would help, such as requiring states to allow for net metering (some do, some don't) - and promoting through tax incentives to energy companies reinvestment into the grid to make it possible - would achieve a number of positive things, namely:

a.) Making the grid more robust because power is generated in a distributed fashion
b.) Achieve the upgrades required that will allow us to leverage the wind corridor in the middle of the country

The problem is that, currently, a grid upgrade would essentially cannibalize the profits of Exelon and the other power companies. So it doesn't happen. IT isn't a conspiracy, it just is the fact that a company is not going to invest capital in projects that kill their profits. If I owned Exelon, I probably wouldn't either.

I am no expert, but it seems like splitting ownership of generation and transmission would do a lot of good here. When one shares interest in the other, we don't get a distributed grid. Government would have to enforce the splitting of ownership and making sure that those two conflicting interests don't collude. As we know, given how friendly BushCo is with energy, that nothing like that is going to happen soon.

As for higher taxes pushing up the dollar - hey, it is what they told me in macro econ class :). If you take money out with higher taxes, in theory, you are using it to pay down the debt (outbound to China). Now, thats a special problem, because China still pegs their currency to the dollar to some degree, so you might be robbing peter to pay paul.

No candidate is really talking about what would be really nice, which is to tax estates at like 100% of everything over a few million (no more paris hilton), eliminate corporate taxes (which is the most onerous middle class tax, since corporations are mostly just pass through vehicles for middle class wages), and raise taxes on 250k+, so we have a shot at paying off the debt. Reducing money taxed on the middle class, while adding strong incentives for the middle and lower (lets not forget lower - they usually get the shaft in this debate) savings would be a real powerful way to prop the dollar to a reasonable range. Maybe this isn't buying dollars back, but by moving the needle to more saving, less spending, some balance comes back.

I think the weak dollar policy of Bush has indeed helped keep us out of recession, but at a huge cost. Given that we entered the recession cycle early (hell, we just got out 4 years ago) - as a result of the housing crisis, we basically have two wrongs (housing crisis + weak dollar) trying to compensate for one another, and kinda doing so in some ways, but in the process, creating some really nasty longer term problems.

I want leadership for this country that is right more than its wrong. Obama has to speak to his base on taxes - thats a political reality. But he also, of all the politicians in this cycle, owes the least to anyone that I have seen get this far in a long time. It isn't nothing - every politician deals with lobbyists, just like you can't sail a vessel into the ocean and not pick up some barnicles. But his rapid rise actually helps.

For that matter, if Sarah Palin were at the top of the ticket, and did not have some views that, at least to be, are shockingly retrograde (i.e. teaching creationism in school) - I would get behind her.
A few salient points here with substance which I agree have contributed to the current situation. Though I would not pin the all blame on the current adminstration the way you have. It is always easy to look at failed policy and plans and point the finger directly at..in this case Bush...that finger can easily be pointed at the Dem run congress of the last 2 years if I remember correctly as a country we took on the dot com bust, 9/11 and were prospering from 2000-2006.

I dont think that an estate tax @ 100% and putting the burden of the debt on the most successful of americans is the right strategy to fix the current problem. B.O's plan....First, taxes. Mr. Obama would raise the top marginal rates on earnings, dividends and capital gains passed in 2001 and 2003, and phase out itemized deductions for high income taxpayers. He would uncap Social Security taxes, which currently are levied on the first $102,000 of earnings. The result is a remarkable reduction in work incentives for our most economically productive citizens. The top 35% marginal income tax rate rises to 39.6%; adding the state income tax, the Medicare tax, the effect of the deduction phase-out and Mr. Obama's new Social Security tax (of up to 12.4%) increases the total combined marginal tax rate on additional labor earnings (or small business income) from 44.6% to a whopping 62.8%. People respond to what they get to keep after tax, which the Obama plan reduces from 55.4 cents on the dollar to 37.2 cents -- a reduction of one-third in the after-tax wage!Despite the rhetoric, that's not just on "rich" individuals. It's also on a lot of small businesses and two-earner middle-aged middle-class couples in their peak earnings years in high cost-of-living areas. (His large increase in energy taxes, not documented here, would disproportionately harm low-income Americans. And, while he says he will not raise taxes on the middle class, he'll need many more tax hikes to pay for his big increase in spending.)Plain and simple consumer confidence will go further in the tank with this kind of plan.

I am all for alternative energy to help subsidize the crisis. We need to continue spending on research to into wind, solar and other environmentally sound producers/savers of energy. I work very closely with these industries and have seen the incredible savings of saving power while living off the grid and then redistibuting it back to the power companies which inturn benefit the middleman(the everyday working american). We also need to be spending more dollars and building materials that produce better energy savings i.e L.E.E.D certified products. Pushing towards more greenbuild products will spur savings to the end user which will free up capital used for various staples and inturn help spur the economy. This needs to be done in conjunction with ramping up offshore drilling exploring the wastland that is ANWAR.

Rothko...grow a pair your skin seems a little thin.
__________________
Freedom is a possession of inestimable value.

Cicero

Last edited by BoKnows : 08-30-2008 at 01:09 PM.
Reply With Quote