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Originally Posted by FlyersFan
hey fish- i really really really resent you making everyone out to be some corporate lazy clown that does well in life. I started a business from scratch. if you've never done it you won't even have the faintest clue how hard it is. it's the hardest thing you can ever do work wise in life. you put all your eggs in a basket and take more risk than most people ever will in life. i employ people, purchase goods from other vendors etc.......and now i am penalized because my business was successful???.... 
that fking pisses me off to no end when i hear you talk about "outsized rewards" and my blood is boiling as we type this.
you obviously seem to have something against people who do well in life. but go ahead, tax the shit out of me...and then all my workers can say bye bye to their child care, health care, bonuses etc....cause the government is going to have all my money.
dang that pisses me off fish that you lump everyone who does well in life into the category of lazy corporate guy. there are plenty of americans who do very well, never took a thing from anyone and now you want to penalize the entreprenuers in this country that are the life blood of what this country is supposed to be about.....??  typical fking liberal point of view.....
and who are you to judge whether someone making 400K earns it or not.?? my cousin worked his ASS off to get where he is and he works as hard as anyone and does very very well in a corporate environment......... |
Hold on, relax... Im not attacking anyone for what they do.
But lets get real here for a second.
a.) There are things government has to do, because companies dont do it well (lets start with the ARMY, and go from there)
b.) Someone has to pay for it
If I am going to choose who to tax, my priority list goes like this:
1.) Dead people and people who receive money for free (estate tax)
2.) People who are doing well enough that the extra tax money wont hurt them (i.e. they will still have their 1st and second house, enough to eat, enough to fly commercial almost wherever they want, and enough to go to the titty bar at least once a week - something you can do easily on 200k even at 30% tax)
3.) People who are already struggling - 100k and lower primarily
The alternative is to tell grandma she gets no Medicare. You can talk to the moon about government programs and such, but thats like trying to solve a problem related to paying $1000 extra in mortgage on a $3k per month budget by eliminating a $50 cable bill. Important, yes, but not real impactful.
The reality is that we have a choice. Put our kids in a position where they will have to live with 50% and higher taxes the rest of their working lives, or bite the bullet now, and if you have the means to live with higher taxes (i.e. you aren't starving) - generally, you pay for them. The obligations coming up from medicare and social security are amazingly high. The obligations from the wars we might have to fight are amazingly high. The obligations from paying interest on the money we are borrowing to bail out Bear Stearns, Freddy Mac, and Fannie May, are incredibly high. The cost to solve global warming is incredibly high. That means we of means, and that really should be those of us who are doing well enough such that gas doesn't really matter that much, should be putting in more.
I don't want to punish anyone. But we either charge ourselves, or our kids, or the people who are making less than enough to pay the bills as it is. Cause someone is going to pay the bill.