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Originally Posted by Fish2006
Hold on, relax... Im not attacking anyone for what they do.
But lets get real here for a second.
a.) There are things government has to do, because companies dont do it well (lets start with the ARMY, and go from there)
b.) Someone has to pay for it
If I am going to choose who to tax, my priority list goes like this:
1.) Dead people and people who receive money for free (estate tax)
2.) People who are doing well enough that the extra tax money wont hurt them (i.e. they will still have their 1st and second house, enough to eat, enough to fly commercial almost wherever they want, and enough to go to the titty bar at least once a week - something you can do easily on 200k even at 30% tax)
3.) People who are already struggling - 100k and lower primarily
The alternative is to tell grandma she gets no Medicare. You can talk to the moon about government programs and such, but thats like trying to solve a problem related to paying $1000 extra in mortgage on a $3k per month budget by eliminating a $50 cable bill. Important, yes, but not real impactful.
The reality is that we have a choice. Put our kids in a position where they will have to live with 50% and higher taxes the rest of their working lives, or bite the bullet now, and if you have the means to live with higher taxes (i.e. you aren't starving) - generally, you pay for them. The obligations coming up from medicare and social security are amazingly high. The obligations from the wars we might have to fight are amazingly high. The obligations from paying interest on the money we are borrowing to bail out Bear Stearns, Freddy Mac, and Fannie May, are incredibly high. The cost to solve global warming is incredibly high. That means we of means, and that really should be those of us who are doing well enough such that gas doesn't really matter that much, should be putting in more.
I don't want to punish anyone. But we either charge ourselves, or our kids, or the people who are making less than enough to pay the bills as it is. Cause someone is going to pay the bill.
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fish- sorry if im jumpy but ive just had enough. i hear you but here's my point.....quit enabling people to freeload. quit giving illegals money and proposing to give the Social security....quit giving section 8 housing to young black mothers with 4 kids at age 22 with no job and no dads around. quit giving my money away!!! you wouldn't have all this defecit crap if you quit handing out money to people for nothing.
see, that's just my point. where in your agrument have you talked about cutting federal spending programs in favor of other ones like education? how about telling people to fuck off like Kevin says if you're not with the program (ie illegals). how about black leaders doing something about the 51% single parent households (ie no 2nd parent in the picture at all) and stop tossing money at them in the face of free housing, food stamps, meal programs in schools etc.......you wouldn't have to tell grandma no medicare if you weren't telling cheech, chong, chenqua etc...to come on over and grab a nice wad of cash, a nice section 8 voucher and let us know if there's anything else you need....and don't worry about work or paying anything back....Matt will pick up your tab for you. he's a hard worker and earns a good living....
Kevin my man, i couldn't have said it better....
....all the liberals want to do is come after the people who already pay about 80% of the taxes in this country, instead of stopping all the pan handling in all these different forms of social programs.
i mean fish, when the "successful" in this country already pay the majority of the taxes, how much more of a burden do they need to bear?? and who are you to tell me that it's OK to tax wealth that's been built up in a family. the government has already taxed that money about 30 times already...do we need another 40% in taxes? and once again fish, you're telling my cousin who probaby makes about 400K a year that he doesn't need to fly first class??......he EARNED that right......key word EARNED...it's not for anyone else to tell him he can't do that so that some dead beat can get a section 8 voucher. Go to Cincinnati Ohio and check out what section 8 housing has done to the west side of town. nobody works, they treat their property like shit and have literally ruined an entire side of town.....all free of charge on the government...and you know who they fked.....THE WORKING MAN.....the plumber, the electriciain, the truck driver....all saw their property values killed, they now live in mixed neighborhoods of section 8 and regular homes where the section 8 homes have destroyed neighborhood property values and the esthetics.......
sorry but you'll never convince me in a million years that doing anything but cutting wasteful spending programs on illegals, dead beat parents etc...is the way to go.
i heard it best from a democratic caller on a radio show this week...."the democrats used to represent the working man, now they represent wellfare and handouts to enable the lazy to stay lazy"