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Originally Posted by NittanyLions94
If Rampage tries to stand with Chuck he's going to get knocked out, plain and simple, no way around it. Nobody can strike with Chuck, I'd have to think twice betting Emilianinko over Chuck in a stand-up fight. If it goes to the ground then Chuck is screwed because he just simply doesn't fight there, and I mean at all. His take down defense is just so good that he didn't even let an experienced grappler like Tito take him there, which was impressive. There's a reason Chuck has avenged all his previous losses, he is a smarter fighter than pretty much anyone else out there and learns from his losses. If you watch that last Liddell/Jackson fight, Chuck looks very out of his element. There was something weird about it and I don't expect that to be the case this time. With that said, I think the value still is with Rampage, but I wouldn't bet either side. But I think we've seen what happens when Pride fighters come to the octagon and think they will dominate. Mirko almost lost his ability to walk after stepping in with Gabriel Gonzaga, and to be honest, that fight was never close.
Chuck doesn't have to fight Mirko, why would he? He would be severely outweighed. And Mirko has to get back in to the contender picture before he worries about having Dana hand picking him matches again. He was basically handed a shot at Randy Couture and got KO'd in R1 against a guy that had no business being in a #1 contender fight. Nothing against Gonzaga, he was impressive, but he is still below guys like Andrei Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. And Wanderlei Silva was a bit overrated IMO, and was another reason I still think UFC > Pride. He came over and got tapped out by Tito fairly easily and never did anything in UFC.
I dunno, betting the favorite in these is never a good idea in my eyes. In a fight anyone can win so laying things like -250 and above is stupid.
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I don't mean to disrespect, but you are FAR overstating Chuck's abilities. Fedor (its emElianEnko btw) would beat THE FUCK out of Chuck.... don't be stupid. Stand up fight? If chuck is such a stellar stand up fighter, why isn't he a boxer where there is more money to be made? You act like he can't be beat on the feet. Chuck could beat Mirko standing? HAHAHAH Mirko was in k1, if yout hink mma fighters have the technique of k1, you're crazy. Crocop does not severely outweigh him... hes about 220, I even think he could make 205 if he really tried. On another note, your so called overhyped Wanderlei stepped up and fought Mirko twice, he didn't give a fuck about weight (although he actually ended up weighing more due to not cutting).
Watch his first fight with Randy. Hell, as far as taking him down, watch his 1st fight with Randy again. Couture actually uses the proper game plan. Rampage NEGATED Chuck's stand up in the first fight. Why did CHuck look "out of place", because Rampage's style threw him out of his game. Rampage beat Cyril Abidi (who is NO joke) in K1, and beat him decisively. TITO is someone who was overrated and looked like shit against Chuck (even though he did win round 2).... Wand is overrated? Ok, if Chuck fought the string of fighters wanderlei did, he would be torn up as well. I would've lvoed to see Chuck go to Pride's open weight grand prix. Not saying he wouldn't which is why Chuck is cool, he wnats to fight the best, but his contractual obligations have held him back.
I really like Chuck, but his hype sickens me.... It would be much easier to state what his abilities were if he had been fighting the top of the top competition (in recent years, Pride's 205 class wouldve RAN A FUCKIN TRAIN on the UFC). If you disagree with this, I don't know what to tell you but get a clue. Wand, Shogun, Lil Nog, Arona, Overeem, Hendo if he fights up in weight, Nakamura, Rampage.
We'll see the answer to this argument on May 26th, and I will be DAMNED if Chuck KO's Rampage standing. I can't wait for the odds to shift even more (due to Chuck hype/nuthugging/invincibility). Chuck hasn't proven he is as incredible as people like you make him out to be, until he does, I'm not going to hug on him.