Yes I Want a Change

[Fish2006]

Originally Posted by Skinsfan

My father-in-law (a proud owner of dozens of guns - he's a collector) has an interesting take on guns.... he once was walking on a street and saw a bunch of older ladies (in their 70s, he said) holding some sort of protest against the NRA or something like that.... so, he walks up to them and asks them a pointed question: "If a criminal breaks into your house and intends to kill you, how would you rather die? With one bullet to your head or 100 stabs with a knife?"

They told him they had never thought of it that way....

Remember that when you're drawing conclusions as to the usefulness of guns in our society.... here's another.... I would imagine that we are the most heavily armed civilian population in the world by a longshot.... ain't nobody invading our fucking country.

See? Now there is something I 100% agree with you on. Guns dont kill people. Bullets kill people.

If guns are responsible for killing people, then spoons are responsible for getting Rosie O'Donnell fat.

[BoKnows]

Originally Posted by homedawg

Skins This 1 is for you!

Nuff' said Hopefully I did not get Rothko's panties in a wad.......

[dananderson32]

once again this idea that obama hates america or isn't patriotic is an absolute joke, just cause he has never served makes him unpatriotic is that what it is? is it because he spent time in Indonesia? (by the way he went to a public school that had kids that were muslim but he never went to a muslim school HD as proven by CNN) i don't get why people think obama hates this country, guess the rep. smeer machine is working up some good shit. Johnny mac could give two shits about Nascar probably doesn't even know what it is (go ahead and post a youtube video HD of cindy or johnny mac at a nascar event, pandering and looking for the votes they could give two shits about Nascar)

[BoKnows]

Originally Posted by dananderson32

once again this idea that obama hates america or isn't patriotic is an absolute joke, just cause he has never served makes him unpatriotic is that what it is? is it because he spent time in Indonesia? (by the way he went to a public school that had kids that were muslim but he never went to a muslim school HD as proven by CNN) i don't get why people think obama hates this country, guess the rep. smeer machine is working up some good shit. Johnny mac could give two shits about Nascar probably doesn't even know what it is (go ahead and post a youtube video HD of cindy or johnny mac at a nascar event, pandering and looking for the votes they could give two shits about Nascar)

Hmmmmmmm let see....

Rev Wright....his spirtiual leader, pastor, and everything else to him holy hates america.Guilty by association for 20 + years
His wife has never been proud of her country until he got the nomination.Guilty by association as this is his spouse and we know how much he loves her.
He thinks the pledge should be taken out of school. Wont put his hand on his heart for the national anthem or pledge...both as patriotic as you can get. Guilty by example
He is more than happy to tell you how much he appreciates his buddy that blew up the Pentagon. Guilty by example
He is more for mexican rights than current american rights....Guilty by his speaches....should I go on or are these enough examples?

[dananderson32]

Originally Posted by BoKnows

Hmmmmmmm let see....

Rev Wright....his spirtiual leader, pastor, and everything else to him holy hates america.Guilty by association for 20 + years
His wife has never been proud of her country until he got the nomination.Guilty by association as this is his spouse and we know how much he loves her.
He thinks the pledge should be taken out of school. Wont put his hand on his heart for the national anthem or pledge...both as patriotic as you can get. Guilty by example
He is more than happy to tell you how much he appreciates his buddy that blew up the Pentagon. Guilty by example
He is more for mexican rights than current american rights....Guilty by his speaches....should I go on or are these enough examples?

when did you have to start putting your hand on your heart during the national anthem and in that picture they show with bill richardson and hillary clinton thats the national anthem and not the pledge and during the national anthem i pay my respects to the flag by taking my hat off if i have a hat on and pay my respects i don't put my hand over my heart so i guess i hate america too


ive talked about his wife michael obama and "not being proud of her country" what she was trying to say but didn't say it right was that for the first time in her life she was proud of her countries electoral process and people, not that this is the first time shes proud of her country in general or proud to be america because, america has given her everything her education, her opportunitys etc.....if she had said this is the first time im proud of my countrys electoral process there would be no gray area but she failed to

[Fish2006]

Confirmed, Palin's 17 year old daughter is knocked up. Woohoo, sweet irony. That is some funny shit. Especially given mama Palin's views on birth control.

Can you say, President Obama. Hahahahahahahaha.

[Fish2006]

I find it deeply ironic that the party of morals and values is putting up a President who left his first wife for a trophy heiress and a VP with kids who are demonstrating what happens when you don't understand what birth control is, and on the Democrat side, you have two men who are in their first marriage and no known illegitimate kids - the veep whom was a single father for a number of years while in the Senate.

Wow, its like Alice and Wonderland strange this year.

[dananderson32]

Originally Posted by Fish2006

I find it deeply ironic that the party of morals and values is putting up a President who left his first wife for a trophy heiress and a VP with kids who are demonstrating what happens when you don't understand what birth control is, and on the Democrat side, you have two men who are in their first marriage and no known illegitimate kids - the veep whom was a single father for a number of years while in the Senate.

Wow, its like Alice and Wonderland strange this year.

hypocrisy at its finest year after year from the rep. party and we don't even have to get started with larry craig or corzine

[Skinsfan]

I fail to see how a 17 year old having sex (oh the horrors!) compares to someone who was friends with a known terrorist, mentored by a known communist, and spent 20 years listening to "God Damn America"

Yes the irony is truly amazing.

[Skinsfan]

All this Dem chatter on the web is proof in the pudding... Dems were caught flat footed and are scared shitless.... resorting to beyond-low personal attacks (accusing Sarah Palin of covering up that her daughter is actually the mother of the baby with down syndrome)....

I hope you guys have been paying attention to the Hillary supporters.... organizations such as PUMA are defecting in waves reported to be in the 10's of thousands to Mccain/Palin.... Obama must be pissing himself right now.

[Fish2006]

Originally Posted by Skinsfan

I fail to see how a 17 year old having sex (oh the horrors!) compares to someone who was friends with a known terrorist, mentored by a known communist, and spent 20 years listening to "God Damn America"

Yes the irony is truly amazing.

Bush was doing business with the House of Saud in the late 90s, which has deep ties to islamic fundamentalism. But if we are going to do guilt by association, then Palin and her involvement with radical pro-life groups who want to make women have their rapists babies and believes that birth control even in marriage should be illegal are fair game.

For that matter, we could bring up all of McCain's new fundamentalist Christain friends who would do no less than bring us facism. I mean, for Chrissakes, glass houses man.

[Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Fish2006

Bush was doing business with the House of Saud in the late 90s, which has deep ties to islamic fundamentalism. But if we are going to do guilt by association, then Palin and her involvement with radical pro-life groups who want to make women have their rapists babies and believes that birth control even in marriage should be illegal are fair game.

For that matter, we could bring up all of McCain's new fundamentalist Christain friends who would do no less than bring us facism. I mean, for Chrissakes, glass houses man.

Perhaps you should dig a little deeper... Palin has gone on record several times (when running for governor of Alaska) that the gov't should not make the decision... it should be left up to the people of Alaska to decide the legality of abortion....

[Skinsfan]

Guilt by association? We're talking about guilt by action here.... You chose to link Mccain and Palin to groups because people of those groups support them? Well fine, if that's the case... shall we discuss all the leaders in terrorist-supporting nations that are gushing over obama?

[Fish2006]

Originally Posted by Skinsfan

Perhaps you should dig a little deeper... Palin has gone on record several times (when running for governor of Alaska) that the gov't should not make the decision... it should be left up to the people of Alaska to decide the legality of abortion....

And that is fine. Obama is on the record denouncing his pastor of 20 years. Thats the point. Both have renounced the more radical views of their friends.

[Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Fish2006

And that is fine. Obama is on the record denouncing his pastor of 20 years. Thats the point. Both have renounced the more radical views of their friends.

There is a HUGE difference you are intentionally avoiding fish.... Sarah Palin has actually governed in a respectable manner (allowing the people to decide) when she had nothing at stake. Obama "renounced" the more radical views only when it became politically expedient and necessary.... and then lied to everyone by saying he was rarely there (only, in his book, he told you that you could always find him at that church on sundays)... in his book, he brags about his mentor (Frank, i think it was) who turns out to be a known communist in America doing the bidding of Moscow.....