***Eagles/Redskins Discussion***

[Skinsfan]

Some tidbits from a Skins fan (take it with a grain of salt, i guess):

1) Wade is listed as the starter tonight, but he was NOT the one who replaced Janson last week (it was the rookie Heyer)
2) Jansen is known for his pass blocking, whereas Wade and Heyer are much better run blockers than Jansen, so I don't see his injury affecting the running game... Skins will most likely protect their right side with Cooley (so don't expect many fantasy points from him tonight, imho)
3) don't let the final score fool you... The Skins didn't really have that hard of a time with Miami.... Miami put together only 1 good drive.... Skins rushed for 191 yards.... only reason they didn't win convincingly was because of poor 3rd down conversion.... Campbell threw two picks but only one was his fault (loydd quit on a deep route on the 2nd, and was summarily benched after that for most of the remainder of the game)... Moss had 3 very uncharacteristic drops, all on 3rd down that would have moved the chains. One drop led to a punt which led to Miami's only TD

I only see the Eagles blitzing to be a concern if/when the Eagles are up by double digits and Campbell is passing every down.... if the eagles blitz too much early, portis will burn them on the ground

I also think the Skins Defense is extremely underrated.... people like to point to last year's 31st ranking (pretty much all the so called experts in the media do).... This defense is like a complete 180 from last year....

All that being said, i don't see a victory for the skins tonight... Philly coming off a loss, at home, on MNF.... would be a huge upset for them not to win

[Underdog88]

I would agree that the Skins have the better receivers, but I question Campbell's ability to avoid the rush & get the ball to them.... like Horfin said the OL is banged up as well, which isn't good since the Freak isn't gone for the year yet. That dude is always hurt. I ended up playing on the Eagles & team over 22.5 pts.... GLTA should be an entertaining game :beerbang:

[EddieP]

Skins don't have a WR?? huh?
I thought that was Philly's problem actually...

Santana Moss & Randel-El vs Reggie Brown & Kevin Curtis is no contest, Skins favor!

moss & randel-el :beerbang: :beerbang: :beerbang:

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

Washington will not move the ball because they dont have any WR.

Skins don't have a WR?? huh?
I thought that was Philly's problem actually...

Santana Moss & Randel-El vs Reggie Brown & Kevin Curtis is no contest, Skins favor!

[BoKnows]

Personally dont like the side much at all...but the total....:beerbang: Pounding the over!!!I think we are going to see mistakes turned into points, and lack of defense from both teams.

[Horfin]

Greg Lewis played last week he fumbled the first punt, I hope somebody from the Skins takes him out.

You are correct, I missed that.

I think Was OL is the big question here. Seems like Phil did well against GB offense. If Phi is gonna Blitz and disrupt the passing game, and if the OL can't run block then there will be problems. I agree with POW Randel el and Moss aint that bad, question is does the QB have time to get him the ball.


Horfin

[Pow]

Horfin they got Reno Mahe back to return punts. He is slow but he will catch it. Donovan looked rusty last week, but I do not think that will happen this tonight with one game under his belt. If the Eagles defense can stop the run Washington will not move the ball because they dont have any WR. I am looking for Westbrook to control the game. Homer alert:beerbang:

antwan randal el?

santana moss?

i think campbell is the biggest "what if" for tonight's game...

[birdsfan5]

Here is some extra crap I found:

Washington already has two T on IR (Jansen and Tucker). The Third T is Wade who has in injured shoulder and will start (played last week after Jansen was hurt). RT Sameuls has an injured knee but will play.

Wade has 8 years of experience. He will be facing J. Kearse who has an injured shouulder but will play. Wade hasn't started a full season for 2 years.

Lito Sheppard is OUT at Starting LCB and his backup has a concussion but is listed as probable.

Philadelphia Offense: only real injuries are at TE with both Smith and Schoel listed as probable. Greg Lewis WR will play after missing last week.

Wahsington Defense: Phllip Daniels the LDE is DOUBTFUL, Smoot is Questionable and 2 other Safeties have injuries.

Mcnabb is 9-3 vs washington. Phil hasn't started 0-2 since 2003

As for the Eagles TE Brent Celek is very good if Smith cant go. IMO Celek is the better player and by the start of next year will be the starting TE. Greg Lewis played last week he fumbled the first punt, I hope somebody from the Skins takes him out.

[Horfin]

Another Scary point: Public went 4-10 yesterday and 4 wins were GB (Road Dog), Dallas Road Fav, NE (Home Fav), Pittsburgh (Home Fav). 67% on Philly. Under has dropped 1 to 1.5 points.

[Horfin]

Here is some extra crap I found:

Washington already has two T on IR (Jansen and Tucker). The Third T is Wade who has in injured shoulder and will start (played last week after Jansen was hurt). RT Sameuls has an injured knee but will play.

Wade has 8 years of experience. He will be facing J. Kearse who has an injured shouulder but will play. Wade hasn't started a full season for 2 years.

Lito Sheppard is OUT at Starting LCB and his backup has a concussion but is listed as probable.

Philadelphia Offense: only real injuries are at TE with both Smith and Schoel listed as probable. Greg Lewis WR will play after missing last week.

Wahsington Defense: Phllip Daniels the LDE is DOUBTFUL, Smoot is Questionable and 2 other Safeties have injuries.

Mcnabb is 9-3 vs washington. Phil hasn't started 0-2 since 2003

[flmmkrz]

My concerns is how ****ty I did these past two weeks and I am leaning toward philly. LOL.


Seriously though....What about the DBs in Washington...Smoot and Springs. Seems like that could limit Donovans success.

On the other side, I believe that Washington lost an OL to a broken leg last week which should slow down the Washington Running game.


Lets get a good discussion going cause I need a win.

I need a win as well and I'm also leaning towards philly but I am tempted to not bother with the spread here and just take the ml with the eagles. I've never liked Springs as a corner, he can be picked on but is McNabb going to be sharper tonight is the question. His line should be okay and Daniels will be out so the pass rush shouldn't be a huge problem. Enough time and he'll find his players open. I like the way phillys d played against gbay. Im a bit worried by how easy it was to run on them last year tho and gbay wasnt a huge test to gauge how improved the run d is if at all. Still the pass rush was on Favre quite a bit and if they can get to him then a rook who holds the ball a little to long or more prone to doing the wrong thing when facing that pressure should be in trouble tonight. I don't see the eagles losing but if they can't stop the run the skins could keep it close enough that who knows what could happen with a bad bounce or whatever. Smoots also injured so it's possible he's out this game. Prioleaus also banged up but going to play. That secondary could be vulnerable.

[birdsfan5]

Horfin- I think there is a better chance Philly's D shuts down Campbell & co., than vice versa. IMO Philly has a way better defense than the Redskins. The Skins are hard hitters, not good defenders. Besides they won't be covering the #1 option in the passing game-Westbrook. I think the Redskins aggressiveness on D can be exploited with passes out of the backfield. How do you counter blitzes & overpursuit? With short passes out of the backfield. What is Philly's stong suit? Getting Westbrook out of the backfield & into the open field. I think this could be a statement game for the Eagles offensively....

I also agree that it's unlikely Philly is as careless with turnovers. I think it's more likely a couple careless throws fom Campbell go the other way while he's under pressure. Philly has to be able to stop the run to win. IMO if they hold Wash u150 yards on the ground, they win. As always, if I don't think a team is going to win su, I don't play it. The "It'll be a close game I'll grab the pts" way of thinking gets you in trouble. I just don't think Washington wins...

Great post:beerbang:

[FearTheRaven]

like Philly and the Over

Don't see the Iggles losing here and a few turnovers will push the game over the total

[Underdog88]

Horfin- I think there is a better chance Philly's D shuts down Campbell & co., than vice versa. IMO Philly has a way better defense than the Redskins. The Skins are hard hitters, not good defenders. Besides they won't be covering the #1 option in the passing game-Westbrook. I think the Redskins aggressiveness on D can be exploited with passes out of the backfield. How do you counter blitzes & overpursuit? With short passes out of the backfield. What is Philly's stong suit? Getting Westbrook out of the backfield & into the open field. I think this could be a statement game for the Eagles offensively....

I also agree that it's unlikely Philly is as careless with turnovers. I think it's more likely a couple careless throws fom Campbell go the other way while he's under pressure. Philly has to be able to stop the run to win. IMO if they hold Wash u150 yards on the ground, they win. As always, if I don't think a team is going to win su, I don't play it. The "It'll be a close game I'll grab the pts" way of thinking gets you in trouble. I just don't think Washington wins...

[birdsfan5]

Horfin they got Reno Mahe back to return punts. He is slow but he will catch it. Donovan looked rusty last week, but I do not think that will happen this tonight with one game under his belt. If the Eagles defense can stop the run Washington will not move the ball because they dont have any WR. I am looking for Westbrook to control the game. Homer alert:beerbang: