As of now the 65....

[joepa66]

I think Flyers and my point is that the regular season is far more important than winning a 3 day tournament, yet these dumb Mid Major conferences can't figure that out........ :thumbs:

I agree wholeheartedly on this fact.....the MAC only has a post season tournament because the bigger conferences do, AND they like the money. Even though they haven't shattered attendance records or anything by having a tournament. What they really need to do is have MAC teams play ALL MAC teams twice, not just teams within their own division twice and teams from the other division only once! They must think that the tournament is the great equalizer and the eventual champion is the true champion.....I don't just think this way because this year it's Kent getting screwed, Keith Dambrot and Akron got screwed last season by a losing on a last second shot in the MAC tourney final!

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[CuseFan10]

Flyers stop complaining about the WCC. they are moving the tourney to vegas next year sheesh. and one other thing the home court thing didnt really workout for vcu as they played in richmond i believe.

There's big difference b/tw a neutral site game in Richmond and playing AT VCU. That's not a very good argument if you ask me. VCU got no reward for dominating their conference. William and Mary and George Mason are also from Virginia and can get fans there just as easily.

I think Flyers and my point is that the regular season is far more important than winning a 3 day tournament, yet these dumb Mid Major conferences can't figure that out. In actuality, they probably like it because look how many teams they have going now.

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[CuseFan10]

AND, the MAC tournament is played at a neutral site, at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland which has been the case for at least 5 years, maybe even more than that.

I know that, and that's stupid. Kent State gets NO REWARD for winning the outright title. Those teams aren't good enough generally to navigate through neutral site fields, which is why my point about them rings true even more. VCU would have never lost to William and Mary at home. San Diego would have never made it out of the semis if the tournament was played in the Kennel. South Alabama would probably not have lost at home either I would guess.

The MAC is penalizing it's good teams, IMHO. So do most Mid Major who want to be majors but just aren't.

[Biff_Tannen]

San Diego won the tourney... they're in. That's it. If anything I'd tell St. Mary's tough luck. They crumbled on the road all year, if anything I think they don't deserve it. Did you notice half the stands were empty at some of those WCC games? That's because each team got half the tickets. I wouldn't worry so much about that home court thing. It helped but they didn't win cause they were at home. San Diego positioned themselves to take that conference, and it wasn't easy. Playing on back to back to back nights with a bunch of young kids on that team, I'm just going to give them a hand and wish them the best. Grier has took that team and did a 180... I like when those teams get a shot, that way you don't see the same teams every year.

[Daws1089]

Flyers stop complaining about the WCC. they are moving the tourney to vegas next year sheesh. and one other thing the home court thing didnt really workout for vcu as they played in richmond i believe.

[joepa66]

JoePa and Daws - OBVIOUSLY they could get 2 if Butler or Kent St lose but as of right now they don't have two so why am I gonna count that??? Think fellas, think.

IMHO - If Kent loses they WON'T get in no matter when they lose. As long as they have the media darlings like St. Mary's and Gonzaga that they want in......Butler gets in either way, win or lose in their conference tournament. The questions I posed are more rhetorical in nature, not literal, just something to think about beyond the "proposed bracket teams".

AND, the MAC tournament is played at a neutral site, at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland which has been the case for at least 5 years, maybe even more than that.

[CuseFan10]

USD isn't deserving. They have an RPI of 100, they went 1-3 vs. STM and the ZAGS this year and then what the **** with playing the tourney on their home floor. They won a conference tourney on their home freeking floor. They have no business being in at the expense of an Arizona/Oregon/Ohio State etc.......

I agree, USD is not deserving. They got a gift getting to play at home. The worst part is, New Mexico is going to do the same thing and steal another bid because they are playing at home. It's simple to solve this **** if you ask me:

ACC, Pac 10, SEC, Big East, Big 12, Big 10, A-10, CONF USA, MWC, MVC all play neutral site conference tourneys at their designated arenas that they all already have except the stupid MWC.

Every other ****ty conference plays their games at the home team site until the semifinals and the semis are played at the #1 seed (Horizon League model). You should be rewarded for winning the regular season title, not submarined. And if conferences like the WAC, MAC and CAA which have a shot at two teams most years want to do the neutral site thing, that's up to them b/c all 3 of them can get away with it because attendance will be good (except maybe the WAC).

[EdwardHaney]

USD isn't deserving. They have an RPI of 100, they went 1-3 vs. STM and the ZAGS this year and then what the **** with playing the tourney on their home floor. They won a conference tourney on their home freeking floor. They have no business being in at the expense of an Arizona/Oregon/Ohio State etc.......

I guess the real problem is that the conference tourney shouldn't have been on their home floor. I don't really agree with that either, unless it alternates between the 10 schools each year and this happened to be their year to host it, but I don't think that's how the system works. USD wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid obviously, but I don't think they were a terrible team by any means.

[FlyersFan]

Everyone's pissed about the WCC getting 3 teams and saying the WCC doesn't deserve that because they had a bad RPI and what not, but the 3 teams that are getting in are deserving.

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USD isn't deserving. They have an RPI of 100, they went 1-3 vs. STM and the ZAGS this year and then what the **** with playing the tourney on their home floor. They won a conference tourney on their home freeking floor. They have no business being in at the expense of an Arizona/Oregon/Ohio State etc.......

[FlyersFan]

What are your thoughts on VCU's chances for an at-large bid?

21 wins over the RPI 100+ shouldn't cut the mustard


I still say that a conference deserves "x" amount of bids, and you can send whomever you want, but you aint gettin' more than your allotment. It is a travesty when conferences like the SunBelt, WCC etc.. pick up extra bids because of the conference tourneys. Never used to be an issue because they were pretty much all 1 bid leagues, but as conferences like the WCC, MVC etc....get multiple bids each year, enough is enough. If you are trying to fill the field with the best combo of 65 teams (taking into account that some ****ty conferences get a bid no matter what like the SWAC and they obviously aren't a 65 best team) then the conference tourney auto bid should be a dinosaur. USD taking the spot of an Arizona, Ohio State, ASU, Oregon etc...is just a travesty.


I do think when all is said and done that the Pac10 gets six and the big10 gets their 5, especially if Arizona/Oregon and OSU win 1st round conference tourney games. I think teams like ILLST are in jeopardy at this point as well. It's too bad that an ILLST would get left out at the hands of USD or a team from the MAC other than KENTST (assuming KENT would still get a bid which is debatable). My sentiments are still, if you want to F*k KENTST by playing a conferenc tourney, by all means go ahead. But you're not getting a 2nd bid if KENTST doesn't win it....same with all these conferences. I think you would see a lot change if that was the case. As it stands, the **** conferences have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing it they way they are. They are still getting that 1 bid no matter what and if an upset happens, they may get a 2nd team in. Just a joke.

[EdwardHaney]

Everyone's pissed about the WCC getting 3 teams and saying the WCC doesn't deserve that because they had a bad RPI and what not, but the 3 teams that are getting in are deserving.

Blame the other 7 teams for the poor RPI. But I don't see that as a problem really because the other 7 that aren't deserving AREN'T GETTING IN.

If Syracuse wins a couple times and then loses a close one to a good team in the Big East tourney they'll probably play themselves in, so it's not completely out of their control. I gotta believe they'll also have their reputation working in their favor when it comes time for at-large selections.

[CuseFan10]

What are your thoughts on VCU's chances for an at-large bid?

Less than ZERO. No Top 50 wins and only played 2 teams in the Top 50 even all season.

[Shamrock]

Those A-10 teams (St Joe's, URI, UMass, Dayton, and even Temple) all beat each other up and knocked themselves all out of any shot to make it. :

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THWND!!!!!!!!!!!

[wsox08]

What are your thoughts on VCU's chances for an at-large bid?

[CuseFan10]

Flyers,

look at the bright side. atleast these **** conferences getting multiples will be good fades in the tournament when they match up with a major conference. WCC, Sun Belt and MWC. I will fade St. Mary's against almost any big time conference team within in reason.

They'll all probably cover numbers like +8.5, +.5, and +11 hahaha :laughing: