As of now the 65....

[joepa66]

Can somebody give me the odds of that sweet college in eastern Neuva York making the Big Dance?
































BUFFALO....Not even a snowballs chance....:laughing:

[dananderson32]

Let's not ruin this thread with Dan Anderson shoveling stories please.... Save that for vaz and joepa's threads :laughing:

hey cuse don't hate on me just cause i get shout outs and go to a sweeeetttttttt college














p.s. doug gottlieb is god :thumbs: :thumbs:

[CuseFan10]

dan- almost time for a littttttttttttttttttttttttttle linnnnnnnnnnnnnngerie on the deck......:beerbang:

Let's not ruin this thread with Dan Anderson shoveling stories please.... Save that for vaz and joepa's threads :laughing:

[FlyersFan]

i dont mind doug......hes far better than digger or stuttering job tom brennan (spelling?)

dan- almost time for a littttttttttttttttttttttttttle linnnnnnnnnnnnnngerie on the deck......:beerbang:

[dananderson32]

Doug Gottleib pisses me off ROYALLY.

What an arrogant know-it-all prick, he's like me but that ******* is on TV and I'm talking to you guys.

i dont mind doug......hes far better than digger or stuttering job tom brennan (spelling?)

[CuseFan10]

Doug Gottleib pisses me off ROYALLY.

What an arrogant know-it-all prick, he's like me but that ******* is on TV and I'm talking to you guys.

[Daws1089]

like you said earlier cuse, I think these smaller conferences know what they are doing. They structure their tournaments like this to get more than 1 team to the tournament. that is what they want.

Also, its probably a good thing that these mid majors are getting multiples because as we talked about in other threads we couldnt even find 64 teams to put in the tournament.


And if VCU gets in i will pissed. How can you play such ****ty opponents and beat no one and still get in without winning the caa? If teams really want to help them selves get in the tournaments, start scheduling tougher non conference games. Even if they lose to 3 out of 4 of them. If they play top 50 teams or power conference teams it wont look so ****ty come selection time.

[joepa66]

How about that.....nice guy but spineless Laing Kennedy from KSU is on the committee. The guy knows how to hire coaches but that's about it! Kent has to win it all because he won't be any help.....LOL:puke:

[CuseFan10]

VCU is in!!!!!!

This is tough to swallow..... VCU, Ohio State, and Kent State REJOICE!!!!!

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[Nigel Tufnel]

Agree on all points, Cuse. I'm just glad I shut things down early this year. Trying to cap/predict the A10 this year would have been virtually impossible. The same SLU team that scores 20 points @ GW, later beats UMass, beats that same GW team by 20+ the 2nd time, wins @ St. Joe's and turns around and loses at home to St. Bonaventure. That's pretty much the way the entire A10 went all season. The meltdowns of St. Joe, URI and Dayton have been crazy. I think I'm most disappointed in St. Joe's. With Calathes, Nivens, Carr and Ferguson in that lineup, they should have done much, much better.

Thank God I had the sense to walk away. All the capping in the world (and I realized I didn't have nearly enough time this year) couldn't have helped with the A10 this year.

GL to your Orange tomorrow.

[FlyersFan]

i personally think when fully healthy that DAY is a better team than STM by a decent amount. Im tired of watching Lou Diamon Phillips miss 2 footers all game long and i think they were lucky to catch ORE when they did.....KENTST kicked the **** out of them on their home floor. But if you use that Argument then Arizona should be about a 3 seed as they had probably some of the most significant injuries of any team in consideration with Bayliss gone for about 5 games and then Wise for about 8.

I seriously think there are going to be some Major conference teams left out at the expense of some ****ty teams who had no business near the tourney (like maybe a MTSU, USD, CLEST etc...)and i will be curious to hear if there is a lot of talk about the WCC 3 bids and the SunBelt's 2 bids and who knows...maybe the Horizon's 2 if BUT doesn't win tonight...and that is not a foregone conclusion they will. I will all but guarantee there are about 4-5 schools out of Arizona, Oregon, ASU, Ohio State, somebody from the BigEast etc....who has a legit gripe.

Really think the selection crew needs to start paying attention to certain conferences maxing out their bid numbers and that's it. They always say they don't look at how many teams come from a conference, but i think you have to start. Just can't have 2 bids from a horrible Sun Belt and 3 bids from an atrocious WCC conference....and maybe 2 from a Horizon league........

[CuseFan10]

I agree with all of that Nigel. The point I was making was kinda two-fold. One, no 8-8 A-10 (even with Wright's injury) is ever going to make the NCAA tournament, nor should they. And two, the RPI isn't the end all be all (which you astutely pointed out). Also, all those teams you listed as being left out with RPI's under 40 are basically Mid Majors - which the A-10 still technically is. Even if it is the best of them this year and traditionally a good league.

[Nigel Tufnel]

First of all, you know I respect your opinions greatly and enjoy our banter, but the fact is you're an A-10 homer Nigel, so I don't think thats really all that "objective". I'm sure if you tried hard enough you find a way to get 4 A-10 teams in the tourney ya know? Objectively speaking, your best argument would have been that no team EVER in the A-10 has gone 8-8 and ever sniffed the NCAA Tourney. Those A-10 teams (St Joe's, URI, UMass, Dayton, and even Temple) all beat each other up and knocked themselves all out of any shot to make it. The only who wit ha gripe (And will get in IMHO) is UMass.

I also don't necessary believe Dayton is better than Saint Mary's. It's not the Gaels fault that 6 teams in their conference were an atrocity this season and they had to play each of them twice, thus decimating their SOS. Ya know?

:thumbs:

I honestly am not trying to be an A10 homer...and, God no, the A10 doesn't deserve 4 teams in the NCAA tourney. I guess I just improperly rely too much on the RPI when looking at the NCAA at large teams. I realize the committee doesn't rely on the RPI; however, there usually aren't a lot of teams with RPIs in the 30's who historically get left out of the NCAA tourney. Sure, I realize there are some...and I'll list them....

2005:
All teams with RPI's of 1-40 made the NCAA tournament.

2006:
#21...Missouri State...20-8...SOS=46....lost 1st round of conference tournament.
#30...Hofstra.............24-6...SOS=129...lost 3rd round of conference tournament.
#39 Creighton...........19-9...SOS=55....lost 1st round of conference tournament.

2007
#30...Air Force...........22-8...SOS=80....lost 1st round of conference tournament.
#36...Missouri State...21-10...SOS=42...lost 2nd round of conference tourmament.
#38...Bradley............20-12...SOS=21...lost 2nd round of conference tournament.

As of this morning, UD has an RPI of 34 and SOS=41.

UD's current RPI is 0.5904. In the past 10 seasons, the only team with an RPI above 0.5892 that got left our of the NCAA tournament was the '07 Air Force team that lost in the 1st round of their conference tournament.


Like I said, I don't think Dayton is all that...and I hope that if they beat SLU, the Musketeers crush them in the quarterfinals. But a loss to X won't hurt UD's RPI all that much. I just guess, like I said, I'm looking too much at the RPI. But I still think if UD has an RPI in the 30s, they would have a gripe.

If UMass loses in the quarterfinals, I think they will be sweating BIG TIME on Selection Sunday.

[joepa66]

THANKS CUSE!


I love these kinds of threads, and even though this is a good one, it hasn't even reached its' potential as yet! I'm waiting for hear from the Rider & William and Mary fans.....:thumbs:

[FlyersFan]

It helped but they didn't win cause they were at home.

really. i played hoops for years upon years and i can tell you the same thing anyone would who ever played the game....you will shoot better in your own gym every single time because it's where you play 50% of your conference games and where you practice shooting every single day. no different than a golfer who plays the same course 2x a day and can shoot a 71 at his country club but you take him to your course he has played 1x and he shoots an 85. Just like you said, STM played better at home all year, so how are they rewarded by finishing ahead of USD but having to play there on the road....:dunno:

system is flawed and it needs to be changed.

and yeah, i think cuse summed up the points that were trying to be made here. KENST SHOULD get the title game at their place and IMO, the conference winner shouldn't have to play until the semis TOPS. There is no reward for KENTST who put together a great season in that conference. They play the same amount of games as the 4th place team and play 'em all in the same place. they might as well have not beaten AKR the other day and finished 4th. And yeah, as cuse said, there isn't enough distinction between these teams to navigate a 12 teams field on a neutral site. Just rediculous.