***Week 9 NFL Discussion***

[tdawgmd]

Stiff, I don't disagree with your analysis, but I think the competition they've played has been at least on par with Pitt, who has it's wins over the Browns, Texans, Jacksonville, Bungles, and Raisins. That win over J-ville certainly doesn't look very sexy at this point.

Just watching the Steelers--the offense looks like it's searching, and Rothlisberger has been really average(which is an insult to average QB's this year). I think the Skins win if they can get any kind of a pass rush.

[Stifler's Mom]

I'm not sold on Philly being all that good this year. Despite their win over the might mighty Seahawks yesterday, lol.

I can't help but respect what Washington has done so far under coach Zorn, but at the same time, the win over Dallas looks a hell of alot less impressive to me now than it did back when it happened.

I can't get over that the lost to the Lambs @ home either, and the win over Zona was a 1pm west to east game where we all know Zona thrives so well. Detroit sucks, and who knows what to think of Cleveland.

What I'm saying is that while I think the Skins are a decent team, I don't think they are any better than average by any stretch of the imagination, and I think their wins are really less than impressive when you really sit down and look at who they beat and the situations some of their opponents were in at the time of the games.

I think they can be had by a team like PIT with experienced veteran players.

While I will admit the Giants look like the team to beat in the NFC, I hope no one is still buying into that farce about how awesome the whole NFC East is anymore, and using it in their decision when capping this game....

In any case, just wanted to add my 2 cents....which after yesterday is probably worth about 1 cent, lol

[tdawgmd]

furashu--redskins went on the road and beat philly--a defense I would rate as high as Pitt. Now they have to do it at home--Methinks the skins are for real.

[Furashu]

Any thoughts on MNF game?

i kinda like the steelers on the road

steelers o-line is horrible though... but redskins havent faced a defense this good before.

i kinda like the steelers but i am on the fence.

steelers shouldve/couldve won that game vs NYG but that funky safety by james harrison to his punter lost them the game.

steelers know how to win ugly as heck this year.

i think willie parker is back, but moore is doing a good job.

james harrison is also known as mr monday night/sunday night.. lol

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

Any word on if dallas is starting brad or brooks? Does anyone see dallas winning this game? Something tells me they show up here.

It's Johnson...that game/line stinks to me...staying far, far away...

[Daws1089]

Any word on if dallas is starting brad or brooks? Does anyone see dallas winning this game? Something tells me they show up here.

[Furashu]

my problem with them is their defense. At home they've given up 38 to SD, 32 to NO, 13 to TB and 24 to JAX. On the road they have done equally poor. Giving up 41 to NE, 33 to KC, and 14 to OAK. imo, miami's offense isn't like TB or Oak, its a bit more dynamic than those two. This team has serious issues with stopping anyone especially the pass. Pennington isn't flashy, but hes getting it done.

i think the public likes cutler/marshall combo and mike shannny.

i havent really looked into MIA, but i think they can beat DEN even at home and coming off the bye, their defense is coming together and not allowing as many huge pass plays. but im going to stay away.

[Daws1089]

my problem with them is their defense. At home they've given up 38 to SD, 32 to NO, 13 to TB and 24 to JAX. On the road they have done equally poor. Giving up 41 to NE, 33 to KC, and 14 to OAK. imo, miami's offense isn't like TB or Oak, its a bit more dynamic than those two. This team has serious issues with stopping anyone especially the pass. Pennington isn't flashy, but hes getting it done.

[FlyersFan]

how about the denver/miami game. I saw one place had miami +3 +110. and Denver -3 -130. They must really not want to move off of this number. What is everyone's obsession with denver anyway? Do people stil think they are a good team after what happened 2 monday's ago? I'm not buying it and don't plan on backing denver with my money from here out. Who the hell is going to win that division anyway?

i know JML likes MIA.

My initial thought was DEN on the game because i thought it was a small number to pay for them off of a bye week. May leave the game alone, though. Not sure if MIA is ready to go into Mile high and come out with a win which is basically what you're betting on based on the pick the winner theory under 7 points.

[Daws1089]

how about the denver/miami game. I saw one place had miami +3 +110. and Denver -3 -130. They must really not want to move off of this number. What is everyone's obsession with denver anyway? Do people stil think they are a good team after what happened 2 monday's ago? I'm not buying it and don't plan on backing denver with my money from here out. Who the hell is going to win that division anyway?

[Furashu]

colts get bob sanders and addai back pending any inpractice injuries

[FlyersFan]

how about saving the chicago/tenn game discussion for next week....:beerbang:


would be nice to get some chatter going about this weeks games....

[Stifler's Mom]

I didn't say CHI would be as much as -3, just that I think they might be favored.

Doesn't matter if TEN is +2.5 or -2.5, the public is probably going to unload on them anyway at what they see as an insignificant amount of points, and same for those who like CHI. For some reason public players see +/-3 as such a significant number that they'll pay a **** pile of juice for it (cause SO MANY games land on exactly 3, LOL), but anything above or below that doesn't seem to matter (well sometimes 7, which probably even less games land exactly on).

Here's the key though, the books don't respect the public's opinion, or give a **** who they're loading up on, because they know plenty of those plays lose.

BUT if CHI is dogged, say +2.5 or even +3 as some of you are hoping, that leaves the ml at what? +130? +140? That dog ml will get bashed so hard by sharp money (imo) that the books won't know where to turn, and public money will never be able to offset it.

So to counter, I think they throw CHI -1.5 out there or something, accompanied by about a -115 to -120 range ml, and it might still see some sharp money, but it isn't nearly as appealing as +130ish or +140ish, and while they might have slightly more on TEN, I personally believe that

a) CHI will get enough backing to counter most, if not all of the money on TEN....between public types that like them and potential sharp money

and

b) the books will be willing to take a stand on CHI if necessary anyway in what would amount to a really difficult spot for TEN

[Billy The Kid]

Bills -5.5- Bills are a far better team and have done an excellent job this year taking advantage of other teams mistakes and by forcing turnovers. Now they play against Favre who is the king of forcing balls down field and has not looked good as of late

Eagles -6.5- Eagles were one of my top rated teams at the beginning of the season but the injury to Westbrook really hurt their offensive consistancy. With him back last week things started to pick up and I don't see any reason to believe they won't continue to get better against the SeaDucks. As long as Sandy Reid doesn't blown the game with a few bone headed plays call IMO the Eagles should roll.

Cardinals -3- Love watching the Cardinals offense play as their WR group is loaded and continues to make plays. The emurgance of S. Breaston just opens things up for LFitz and Anquan, two guys who didn't have trouble getting theirs in the first place. St. Louis comming off three straight good efforts but don't think their offense can keep up with an Arizona team that is a major threat to score on every possession. Possibly an Over play as well as I can see a 30-24 game.

Looks like I will be on these three come Sunday


Looking at the Tampa Bay/Kansas City game

IMO Tampa should roll after getting beat last week in Dallas. That was a game Tampa wanted to win to quite the critics over their poor road performances this year and got out played by a struggling Dallas team. KC two weeks ago got blown out at home by Tenn. Im not putting Tampa in the same class as the Titans but they do have similar styles of play. Establish and pound the run and good hard nose defense that doesn't take too many gambles and stops the run. Yes Kansas City played well last week but that was against a ****ty Jets team that we all seem to agree just plain blows. What reason do the Chiefs have only being 7 point dogs, decides the fact that historically Arrow Head has been a tough place to play, but that isn't really the case this year. Losses to Oakland and Tennesse. Yea they beat the Broncos and at the time it seemed like the upset of the year but after the past few weeks its not that unbelievable, the Chiefs just had the gameplan to beat Denver that the rest of the league has since copied. John Gruden is a great game planner IMO and I don't see him letting a rookie QB get too comfortable in the pocket this week. IMO the Bucs look to make a statment even against one of the worst teams in the league. Any Thoughts????

[Underdog88]

I just think there are better spots than the GB/Tenn game...that could go either way...Tenn is a very good team, but in a letdown spot....who wins??
Beats me...lol. :dunno:

That's what I'm thinking JML. I think Grant getting healthy will help this offense greatly, Thinking both teams get to 20 pts...