ufc 71 and beyond lines

[EddieP]

how do you spell logic

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-500 / +400 on Cris... Good value with CroCop if you ask me, he should be -700. Gonzaga is good at bjj, but thats it, go watch his fight with Kevin Jordan lol.

Mirko should be able to knock his head off.

[EddieP]

and further more,, yes sometimes i do flip a coin mister know it all,,what is it to you anyways? actually i flip best of three if you must know......:beerbang: strike my karo pic,gonna go with burkman great value at +255...................

[EddieP]

well for not trying to be an ass#$@@ your doing a pretty good ****in job......look i started this thread right? go to the top of the page and look at who i picked the day i posted this thread..........i liked rampage from the start,so thats a sure sign he will get his ****in head knocked off...and when this happens what will you do mister know it all???.....i could care less who randy picks,,,,,,,,, he is payed to say what he says........ you dont think win bonus means anything??? i do.... opinions are like *******s we all have one...........just because you dont agree with me,,what the **** gives you the right to belittle me...... go start your own thread and blow your horn there..........i hope rampage does win,,but if he gets knocked out it wont surprise me one bit........... much better fighters than ramapge have been beaten the last few months thats for sure......... you talk like chuck cant do anything on the ground,, he was a div 1 wrestler........he knocks everyone out so really no need to go to the ground in the first place.... next you will be telling me rampage is better than randy the roman greco master:):beerbang:

[yukoncornelius]

back on topic of UFC 71, something to note is Randy Couture picked Rampage to win via 3rd round tko. Randy is on a tear with his predictions lately - including picking gonzaga to beat crocop. He must see that Chuck's general style hasn't changed and his technique has not improved by alot, and thus rampage's style poses a major problem.

[yukoncornelius]

logic??? lmfao,, you mean you use logic with these fights??? doesnt matter who is better gsp or serra,,,,,,,,,,,,,if you bet gsp you lost its that simple...what dont you understand about the fact,,, the best fighter doesnt always win???? when we bet we dont bet the best out of 10 do we??? do you really think gonzaga is better that mirko?? of course not, but if you bet mirko you lost.........all this **** about logic and value dont mean **** when the punches start flying...........im not reading into any hype,,i watched thierry s last two fights,,its apparent to me he is much improved ,,maybe its how and who he is training with now.......you know what would really help me??? to find out the purses and win bonus of the fighter before the fight starts,,,think you could base some value or logic with those figures.........

I used that LOGIC to show you that just because Soko won doesn't mean hes an unstoppable force at 205 like you said, hahahah jsut writing that makes me laugh. No I didn't bet GSP, no I didn't bet mirko, are both the better fighters, hell yes. Are arona and lil nog better fighters than soko, yes. Basically you just said exactly what I was trying to show you.... "the better fighter doesn't always win" AKA SOKO AINT ****IN UNSTOPPABLE AT 205. Like I said, fighters don't progress that fast, end of story.

He has always been training with team quest.... If you wanna keep riding the Soko bandwagon, feel free, I'm not stopping you.

Purse has nothing to do with value or logic lol.

edit: And you better believe I use LOGIC when trying to pick a winner. Do you know what the definition of logic is?

log·ic
–noun : 3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.

Aka, I analyze the MATCHUP between fighters and reason it out to pick a winner. WTF do you do, flip a ****in coin? I'm not trying to be an ******* here, but man some of the things you're saying are crazy.

[EddieP]

DUDE, WTF is with your logic. Sorry but fighters don't progress THAT fast. THey don't go from getting their ass beat in ****in WEC to being a so called unstoppable force at 205 in LESS than a year! Stop reading into the hype so much.

:beerbang: In a UFC comparison, do you truly believe that Matt Serra is a better fighter than GSP? GSP wins that fight 9 times out of 10.

logic??? lmfao,, you mean you use logic with these fights??? doesnt matter who is better gsp or serra,,,,,,,,,,,,,if you bet gsp you lost its that simple...what dont you understand about the fact,,, the best fighter doesnt always win???? when we bet we dont bet the best out of 10 do we??? do you really think gonzaga is better that mirko?? of course not, but if you bet mirko you lost.........all this **** about logic and value dont mean **** when the punches start flying...........im not reading into any hype,,i watched thierry s last two fights,,its apparent to me he is much improved ,,maybe its how and who he is training with now.......you know what would really help me??? to find out the purses and win bonus of the fighter before the fight starts,,,think you could base some value or logic with those figures.........

[yukoncornelius]

You do make some good points and you obviously have more knowledge than I do regarding UFC and MMA, but like I said I went back and watched their first fight and I really wasn't that impressed by Rampage. You definitely didn't convince me that Chuck is going to lose. Chuck has avenged every loss and IMO he's going to do it again. If Rampage knocks him out I'll admit I was wrong but until that happens Chuck remains the baddest fighter on the planet!

I'm not taking anything away from Chuck, but he certainly is NOT the baddest fighter on the planet. Like I previously said, why would you say that about a fighter that essentially hasn't fought the BEST in his weight class for a WHILE. Its ignorance... I guess your main exposure to mma is via UFC like many people so this is why you think that way. The sad thing is, that Chuck has wanted to fight all of Pride's 205'ers for a while, I hope it can happen now!

[yukoncornelius]

DUDE, WTF is with your logic. Sorry but fighters don't progress THAT fast. THey don't go from getting their ass beat in ****in WEC to being a so called unstoppable force at 205 in LESS than a year! Stop reading into the hype so much.

In a UFC comparison, do you truly believe that Matt Serra is a better fighter than GSP? GSP wins that fight 9 times out of 10.

[EddieP]

Soko has been very fortunate lately... Arona was an idiot with what he did....

Watch Soko's fight late last year in WEC, he sucked, to say he can beat any 205'er right now is absurd.
why who do you think will beat this new sensation??? dont forget he is a judo guy that also trains with henderson,,who in my mind is one of the best wrestlers in mma....arona was an idiot,,, why because he tried to take him to the ground and just couldnt do it?? then he backs out with his head down?? lol...once maybe lucky but two huge names in a row he destroyed....last year is last year,,and rampage vs chuck first fight is just that,,its in the past.four more days and we will see........:jig:

[BlazerAndy]

You do make some good points and you obviously have more knowledge than I do regarding UFC and MMA, but like I said I went back and watched their first fight and I really wasn't that impressed by Rampage. You definitely didn't convince me that Chuck is going to lose. Chuck has avenged every loss and IMO he's going to do it again. If Rampage knocks him out I'll admit I was wrong but until that happens Chuck remains the baddest fighter on the planet!

[yukoncornelius]

Like I said before I'm not the biggest UFC expert

lol...

Alright, so tell me how he is different. Do you want to see his fight vs Overeem that got him into the next round of the grand prix to fight Rampage? I'm pretty certain you'd watch that fight and say hmm that looks like Liddell! How about his previous fights before Alistair, like Belfort and Babalu, he looks like good ole Chucky there too. His STYLE has remained the same. I just think your argument is totally illogical and based off nothing, so I'd like to see exactly why you think it. You are a mainstream UFC fan that has totally bought into Chuck's hype due to his recent matchups that are very GOOD style fights for him to take, and thus he has looked like hes on a tear. He is not the modern day mike tyson (although maybe you just mean this becuase of his recent string of victories by way of KO/TKO). As far as most dominant MMA fighter - its Fedor by far, he has fought THE BEST, and beat THE BEST. Until Chuck fights all of Pride's old fighters - Arona, Wanderlei, Lil Nog, and particularly Shogun.

Take this for note of why this line is off, and based on media hype of Chuck....

Tito was a +210 or so if I remember right, and he got his ass beat the first fight. Rampage is +240, a BIGGER underdog, and Chuck basically did nothing to him in their first (Rampage nullified everything he did and won very clearly). Now, what kind of sense does that make?

[BlazerAndy]

Like I said before I'm not the biggest UFC expert but I went back and watched that Liddell/Rampage matchup and that is not the same Chuck. He is a completely different fighter now. And the electricity he brings when he comes into the ring is unexplainable. He is the face of the UFC and I fully expect him to knock Rampage out. Liddell is a modern-day Mike Tyson!! :gulp: :gulp:

[yukoncornelius]

I mean I'm not putting ALOT of money on it, but I'd be crazy to not put a fair amount on him. In my case, 5-10 units....

Soko has been very fortunate lately... Arona was an idiot with what he did....

Watch Soko's fight late last year in WEC, he sucked, to say he can beat any 205'er right now is absurd.

Rampage WILL NOT GET ko'd. Wanderlei KO'd him and that was after repeated knee after knee after knee of punishment. For the record, a knee to the head hurts ALOT worse than fists. I just don't see it happening. If RAMPAGE comes to fight 100%, he has more than a "chance" to win. Actually he does have a chance, you're right, like an 85% chance. lol

MMA betting is analyzing the matchups, just like all other sports, mma math doesn't work. In this case, I'm confident about the matchup, given the odds, I love it.

War RAMPAGE, the chain is gonna look good with the belt!

[EddieP]

ok let me say it again,,if rampage comes to fight he has a chance to win,,if he fights like his last two outtings he will get ko ed.........chuck hasnt fought anybody of late,, i will agree with that,,but his fights with randy you cant take away from him,,,, randy just happens to be the hv champ right now,i didnt see him beating silvia the way he did,,he dominated in that fight.......i do think chucks days are numbered, and i also think rua would give him alot of trouble, not to mention this thierry sensation which in my mind will beat any light heavy in mma right now.........who is gonna beat that guy???he knocked nog the **** out,,and he just decapitated arona for heavens sake........... please dont ever confuse me with a chuck nut hugger,,because im not a chuck fan at all,in fact i dont like him very much,, but lets give credit where its due he is the champ.........im not crazy about either side in this one, i will be rooting for rampage but i wont be betting the farm on it....just hard for me too see another main event dog cleaning house.... yukon for your sake i hope your right:beerbang:

[yukoncornelius]

Big money still is in boxing though right now....

If Rampage is smart he'll test out striking, then slam Chuck down and use his aggressive GnP. This is the biggest fight of Quinton's life, and you can be sure he will be ready for it. Quinton has faught in a cage many times, he trains in one all the time (he is well prepared for whatever venue he fights in).

This is what I don't understand about Liddell fanboys almost disregarding the fight in Pride. What new skills does Chuck have to warrant him being -300 right now (and in the coming weeks, probably -350), besides decisively beating consecutive fighters taht really were not in his league, aside from Randy? Tito was not ready for Chuck in their recent fight. Chuck tried to fight the same in the first fight as he has recently. THe difference is his recent MATCHUPS and how they played out. On the ground, if Rampage is on the bottom, do you not think he has the power to get out of the situation? Rampage has the advantage on the ground, and better GnP, and liddell will not submit him. Standing up, Chuck has a slight advantage but its not anywhere NEAR what the Chuck nuthuggers think it is. Quinton suffers in the clinch with standup, and we all know Chuck aint gonna clinch. On the other hand, rampage has good defense standing, and has good movement and striking. Chuck is awesome at standing, believe me I'm not saying he isn't. What I'm saying is Chuck's standup is overrated and Rampage's is underrated by Chuck fanboys. On another note, it isn't even about matching Chuck strike for strike, its being active to the point where Chuck can't counterpunch and stalk. Shogun, Wanderlei could both do this if we ever saw them fight, and Rampage can too (and he has).

As far as Mirko... weird stuff happens. Randleman should've never beat him their first fight and killed him. Crocop came in much over confident, and we all saw him get KTFO. THe mirko we saw in OWGP was on an ABSOLUTE TEAR, and if that crocop showed up against gonzaga, Gabriel wouldve gotten killed. Serra beat GSP, and they're not even in the same calibur of skill in my opinion. Takimoto beat Zelg Galesic... it happens. What this has to do with the Chuck/Rampage fight is beyond me.