ufc 71 and beyond lines

[EddieP]

hell no o/u yet Game Note: UFC Light-Heavyweight Championship
Sat 5/26 104 Josh Burkman +200
11:00PM (EST) 105 Karo Parisyan -260
* Game Note: Welterweight Matchup
Sat 5/26 107 Keith Jardine -500
10:00PM (EST) 108 Houston Alexander +350
* Game Note: Light Heavyweights
Sat 5/26 110 Thiago Silva -260
8:00PM (EST) 111 James Irvin +200
* Game Note: Light Heavyweights
Sat 5/26 113 Sean Salmon -145
8:00PM (EST) 114 Alan Belcher +115
* Game Note: Light Heavyweights
Sat 5/26 116 Wilson Gouveia -280
8:00PM (EST) 117 Carmelo Marrero +210
* Game Note: Light Heavyweights
Sat 5/26 119 Din Thomas -350
8:00PM (EST) 120 Jeremy Stephens +250
* Game Note: Lightweights
Sat 5/26 122 Ivan Salaverry -165
11:00PM (EST) 123 Terry Martin +135
* Game Note: Middleweights
Sat 5/26 125 Chris Leben -260
10:00PM (EST) 126 Kalib Starnes +200
* Game Note: Middleweights

[EddieP]

yukon betus im sure will have o/u for all the fights too........i need about a 6 fight parlay:beerbang: gonna depo right now with betus

[yukoncornelius]

Damn, those are good books then... I thought betcris was the only book that allowed them for mma (besides SIA which allows everything to be parlayed lol), but now cris has stopped offering them.

Those props are insane too... I know sites used to offer props on MMA but stopped doing it. Rampage in the 3rd or 4th round is DEFINITELY worth the bet.

Karo/Burkman not going 3 round distance is also worth it at +150. Very cool props!

[EddieP]

yukon both 5dimes and betus allow parlays........... not sure if im even betting tonight,, no cash in my account,and im not crazy about going to wall mart to send money........

[EddieP]

Update Lines Continue
UFC Fighting Spread Money Line Total Points Team Total Points
UFC 71 - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - PPV
Sat 5/26 251 Quinton Jackson +160
11:15PM (EST) 252 Chuck Liddell -185
Sat 5/26 253 Jackson/Liddell goes 5 rnd distance +720
11:15PM (EST) 254 Fight won't go 5 round distance -1125
Sat 5/26 255 Jackson/Liddell starts round 5 +400
11:15PM (EST) 256 Fight won't start round 5 -600
Sat 5/26 257 Jackson/Liddell starts round 4 +190
11:15PM (EST) 258 Fight won't start round 4 -270
Sat 5/26 259 Jackson/Liddell starts round 3 -125
11:15PM (EST) 260 Fight won't start round 3 -115
Sat 5/26 261 Jackson/Liddell starts round 2 -290
11:15PM (EST) 262 Fight won't start round 2 +210
Sat 5/26 265 Jackson wins inside distance +185
11:15PM (EST) 266 Not Jackson inside distance -225
Sat 5/26 267 Jackson wins by 5 rnd decision +1760
11:15PM (EST) 268 Not Jackson by 5 round decision -3520
Sat 5/26 269 Liddell wins inside distance -145
11:15PM (EST) 270 Not Liddell inside distance +125
Sat 5/26 271 Liddell wins by 5 rnd decision +1315
11:15PM (EST) 272 Not Liddell by 5 round decision -2200
Sat 5/26 273 Jackson/Liddell draw +9000
11:15PM (EST) 274 Fight not a draw -18000
Sat 5/26 275 Q.Jackson wins in round 1 +585
10:15PM (EST) 276 Any other result -9999
Sat 5/26 277 Q.Jackson wins in round 2 +825
11:15PM (EST) 278 Any other result -9999
Sat 5/26 279 Q.Jackson wins in round 3 +1300
11:15PM (EST) 280 Any other result -9999
Sat 5/26 281 Q.Jackson wins in round 4 +1700
11:15PM (EST) 282 Any other result -9999
Sat 5/26 283 Q.Jackson wins in round 5 +2400
11:15PM (EST) 284 Any other result -9999
Sat 5/26 285 C.Liddell wins in round 1 +325
11:15PM (EST) 286 Any other result -9999
Sat 5/26 287 C.Liddell wins in round 2 +480
11:15PM (EST) 288 Any other result -9999
Sat 5/26 289 C.Liddell wins in round 3 +700
11:15PM (EST) 290 Any other result -9999
Sat 5/26 291 C.Liddell wins in round 4 +1050
11:15PM (EST) 292 Any other result -9999
Sat 5/26 293 C.Liddell wins in round 5 +1600
11:15PM (EST) 294 Any other result -9999
UFC 71 - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - PPV
Sat 5/26 353 Josh Burkman +255
10:00PM (EST) 354 Karo Parisyan -310
Sat 5/26 361 Burkman/Parisyan goes 3 rnd distance -190
10:00PM (EST) 362 Fight won't go 3 round distance +150
UFC 71 - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - PPV
Sat 5/26 455 Terry Martin +140
10:00PM (EST) 456 Ivan Salaverry -160
Sat 5/26 457 Houston Alexander +400
10:00PM (EST) 458 Keith Jardine -500
Sat 5/26 459 Kalib Starnes +205
10:00PM (EST) 460 Chris Leben -245
Sat 5/26 461 Alan Belcher +120
8:00PM (EST) 462 Sean Salmon -140
Sat 5/26 463 Carmelo Marrero +230
8:00PM (EST) 464 Wilson Gouveia -270
Sat 5/26 465 James Irvin +175
8:00PM (EST) 466 Thiago Silva -210
Sat 5/26 467 Jeremy Stephens +285
8:00PM (EST) 468 Din Thomas -345

[yukoncornelius]

I'd say 80% chance the fight goes past the 2nd round. Neither of them are gonna get KO'd in my opinion. WHEN Rampage wins, its going to be him on the ground over chuck doing some aggressive GnP, and big John is gonna come in and make the stoppage. I'd say this happens in the 3rd or 4th round when Chuck will be more tired.

I'd say there is a 15% chance Chuck KO's Quinton. Rampage took 20 knees (before he finally got KO'd) from Wanderlei which is alot more damage than Chuck's punches.

I'm telling you guys, tommorow is Quinton's night. At least risk 1 unit.... I've tailed others in such sports as baseball. Someone tail me! haha

[No1mikefan]

Yea Yukon, WTF! our only hope is that some late money comes in on chuck and shoots the line back up? Dont see it happening though. I just dont want to bet now (seen it at +135) and have it go back up and cost me money. Oh well, thats part of the fun of gambling huh? trying to catch that line just right.

Thanks for the tip on the video, I must have just missed it.

[BlazerAndy]

Down to 165 on sportsbook
You're right Yukon I don't think they'll let me bet a parlay. I may put a bet down that the fight won't go more than 2 rounds and hope for a knockout either way to cover my ass.

[yukoncornelius]

back up to 175 on sportsbook
5dimes it's at 195
184 on Pinnacle

Can't WAIT for this fight. Definitely putting money on Chuck and thinking about a 2 parlay with Chuck and Kalib Starnes over Chris Leben. Any opinions on that one?

What book is allowing parlays...

Rampage and terry martin are the 2 best dogs to bet on... in my opinion. James Irvin is good as well, thiago silva is a favorite cause of his name lol. I'm telling you guys, I've never felt so good about an underdog. I just don't see Rampage losing, I personally can't wait for this fight, I've wanted to see the rematch forever. Apparently Dan Henderson or Shogun is going to challenge the winner of the fight tommorow night!

no1mike - The video was on ufc.com... I watched it earlier.


Btw, Mike Sloan is generally accepted as the worst writer on Sherdog by far, some of things he has said before should've got him fired they were so ridiculous. Josh Gross picked Rampage, and his reasoning was very similar to mine.

I am so mad I didn't put 100 on rampage when I had money in my bookmaker account a couple weeks ago, and he was at +240. :bang: :bang:

[No1mikefan]

ANYBODY know where we can see video of the whole weigh ins?? ESPN has the video of Chuck and Rampage on their site but i really wanted to see the rest of them as well. Usually the UFC site has them but not this time? Maybe later.... If anyone has found the entire video, I would love to see it.
THANKS GUYS!!!!!!!!

[No1mikefan]

I dont know Blazer, Chris Leben really needs this win and he should be able to K.O. Kalib. The thing about Kalib that bothers me is an article on the UFC website. He basically talks about how fighting isnt really that important in his life?
UFC® : Ultimate Fighting Championship®

I dont know, maybe I took the article the wrong way. I got the impression that he views MMA as his current lifestyle and he could easily walk away to pursue much more important stuff? I just seriously doubt his heart and commitment to the sport. If you saw the Ultimate Fighter series when he was on it, he basically quit in the middle of the fight saying his rib was broke? Even the coaches said he was full of it and he should of kept going. I just dont like seeing a fighter quit regardless of what happens in the cage. I think he might be able to submit Leben but if those guys bang, Kalib is going to sleep. Just my opinion, good luck!!

I guess it wont let me post the link, so go to the UFC site and check it out, its on the second page of recent news.

[BlazerAndy]

back up to 175 on sportsbook
5dimes it's at 195
184 on Pinnacle

Can't WAIT for this fight. Definitely putting money on Chuck and thinking about a 2 parlay with Chuck and Kalib Starnes over Chris Leben. Any opinions on that one?

[BlazerAndy]

down to 170 on sportsbook

Liddell/Rampage

I don't think it will go up. As a matter of fact, it's been going down. Believe it or not, people are betting on Rampage. Liddell was -215 3 days ago, then -195 2 days ago, and now he's at -175. Crazy huh? They're talking about the same thing over at the mmaunderdogs forum boards. I wonder if Liddell will actually go lower than 175?!?!?

KB

[BlazerAndy]

Here is an article that makes some really good points about how Chuck is a changed fighter since the first fight. I really agree witht this article:

by Mike Sloan (msloan@sherdog.com)

Muhammad Ali used to boast before fights that he was in the best shape of his life. Evander Holyfield did the same, and most recently Oscar De La Hoya has become synonymous with the "best shape of my life" cliché.

It's rare when that sort of phrase is muttered in mixed martial arts. There are too many aspects of the game to work on, and the risk of injury while training for a fight is far greater than boxers face with the old Sweet Science.

Chuck Liddell (Pictures), the Ultimate Fighting Championship's light heavyweight king, is all too familiar with the training camp injury bug, having pulled this, torqued that or sprained whatever many times in the past.

In his last bout, "The Iceman" entered the Octagon against Tito Ortiz (Pictures) with a sprained knee suffered while training for the rematch, which he won in three rounds. And prior to facing Saturday's opponent, Quinton Jackson (Pictures), in 2003, Liddell endured yet another leg injury, this time to a quad which limited his training leading up to the fight.

But as Liddell, 37, prepares for a rematch against the last man to put a blemish on his stellar record, reports are the champ's in pristine condition -- or at least that's what a trio of insiders, including his trainer John Hackleman, are saying. In fact, Liddell's camp can't stop going gaga about how splendid their fighter looks leading up to the May 26 fight.

Like Ali, Holyfield and De la Hoya … Liddell is in the best shape of his life.

"This has been the best training camp we've ever had," gushed Hackleman, Liddell's head trainer. "He didn't get one injury, one strain or one pull. Everything went perfectly: perfect sparring; perfect wrestling; perfect conditioning. He's hitting harder now than he ever has and his timing and accuracy right now is un-friggin-believable. I still can't believe it. He hits things at every angle, moving away or moving in. He always finds the chin and his weight is on target so everything's right on. It's perfect."

"That's exactly word-for-word what I was going to say," chuckled Scott Lighty, Liddell's primary sparring partner for striking. "It's funny: Every time we get in there to get ready for fights, he gets better and better. I watch his sparring and his accuracy has really improved. He really can punch from any angle. I was trying different styles on him and moving differently, but he keeps hitting me."

"He looks really good right now," concurred John Lewis (Pictures), a longtime Liddell coach and friend. "His body's tight, his abs are tight and with those strong abs he's in really good shape. He's trained really hard. He's positive. He's relaxed as usual, so yes, he's definitely in top shape."

The absence of the injury bug aside, part of the reason Liddell might look so fantastic is that this is the first fight since his rubber match with multiple-time UFC champion Randy Couture (Pictures) that "The Iceman" has truly gotten up for an opponent. It could also be suggested that this rematch with "Rampage" is the one fight he's coveted more than anything else, a chance to wipe the slate clean. Or in other words, good old fashioned revenge.

"When Chuck trains for revenge fights, he's extremely focused," said Lighty, a professional kickboxer known mostly for his tenure with the K-1 organization. "He's always focused with other fights but there's always just a little more with these types of fights because he just can't stand to lose. He trains with just a little bit more of an edge and you can see him working every possible move that Quinton can do against him."

Lewis agreed to a point, but also suggested that in the time since Liddell's first encounter with Jackson, almost four years, the San Luis Obispo, Calif. fighter has grown tenfold.

"Chuck's a different guy than when he was in those days," Lewis said. "His training regimen is very, very fine-tuned now compared to how it was back then. He's beaten a lot of great champions since then, which has built his confidence mentally to know how good he really is. I think he's a whole different individual than he was back then. His training wasn't the best in those days -- not that he didn't train or have good training, it's just that his training overall, from his dieting to his conditioning regiment to everything as a whole, has improved greatly. Everything is fine-tuned and everybody on the team does their part. And he's not even the same guy today. You can't even compare that fight and that training."

"He's much different, as he's improved leaps and bounds more than probably anybody out there right now just in his overall skills, power and conditioning," added Hackleman. "I don't think that first fight was an aberration, but I don't think it's going to happen again. It's a whole different Chuck. Let me put it that way: I can't say that first fight was an aberration because then are all of Chuck's knockouts aberrations as well? It's just like how Chuck got beaten by Randy that first time. Everybody knows that would never happen again. Chuck's a different fighter now and it's mostly because of how his training is different."

Liddell has been on a strict diet and worked strenuously on his conditioning, something that plagued him in the back-to-back losses to Couture and Jackson in 2003.

While Team Liddell wouldn't specify what minor-yet-massive adjustments were made, it's safe to assume that if one compared film of Liddell's training from before anyone had heard of SpikeTV to today, the difference would be akin to mixed martial arts pre- and post-The Ultimate Fighter.

"I don't like to go into specifics about the training," said Hackleman. "Let's just say that Chuck is a changed man and it'll show against ‘Rampage.' He just gets better and better and that's mainly because of how his training has improved."

And that is the reason why this fight is so intriguing.

Both fighters have changed since they first locked horns inside the PRIDE ring in Japan. Liddell hasn't lost since and has laid out opponents like kitchen tile. He bounced back from defeat by dismantling Ortiz and Vernon White, and then swiped the title from Couture by knocking him out cold in the first round. To say Liddell has been on a tear would be an understatement.

The same can't be said about Jackson. The boisterous fighter from Memphis has tasted defeat thrice, bested by former PRIDE 205-pound king Wanderlei Silva (Pictures) on two occasions and once by Mauricio Rua (Pictures).

Some argue that Jackson has seen his best days, but those close to Liddell don't agree.

"I hear that a lot, but to be honest whenever I talk about ‘Rampage,' and this might sound weird or that I'm talking about one of my own fighters, but I love ‘Rampage,'" admitted Hackleman. "I think he's a great fighter, a great guy. If he wasn't fighting Chuck I wish I was training him because I love him. I don't think anything has happened to him. He just fought great fighters. I don't think he's gotten bad. I think it's just that his level of opposition has gone up. He's done well, but there are certain people who have beaten him. I don't believe he is washed up or anything like that at all."

Lewis agreed that Jackson is not a flash in the pan. Like Hackleman, Lewis thinks Jackson is just as dangerous, just as fierce as he's ever been, and to think this fight will be a walk in the park for Liddell would be foolhardy.

"Quinton is a very tough guy," stated Lewis, a UFC veteran. "He definitely is a worthy opponent for Chuck right now and he's certainly not shot like some people believe. He's a very strong individual. His hands and his striking have really come a long way and I consider him a real striker now, and he's won his last few fights. He's also hard to take down. He's very athletic and agile, so I think he's definitely a tough match in general for anybody, including Chuck."

Toughness and ability aside, everybody who has worked tirelessly with the defending light heavyweight champ is confident that their guy will triumph Saturday inside the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. Liddell's firing on all cylinders and has battered his sparring partners like slabs of meat.

"I think ‘Rampage' is going to put up a great fight and it's going to be a war," started Hackleman, "but I just think Chuck has a little too much firepower at this point. He's so focused and like I said, Chuck has never looked this perfect."

"It's insane to see Chuck train and train alongside him," added Lighty, who hopes to follow in his training partner's footsteps as he plunges headfirst into MMA, possibly in the late summer. "It's not like Quinton's all about the fame and trying to hype up the media and when he gets into the ring he's a total pussy. He brings it; he comes ready to fight. He always comes ready for a war. But with how great Chuck looks, I just don't see ‘Rampage' beating him. I just don't see it happening."

On Saturday night, the world will find out whether Liddell's "perfect" training camp will equate to another highlight reel knockout, or if he'll wind up being more like De La Hoya and fall flat after being in the "best shape of his life."

And Jackson, the only man Liddell has not been able to beat, will find out better than anybody else.