ufc 71 and beyond lines

[EddieP]

man i wish i had some of that stuff:beerbang: wont be long now.....i may or may not be betting tonight,,just have too much going on right now,, and besides i have nothing in both accounts.....what really pisses me off they only have two damn lines for tonights ufc card.............they have lines for ufc 72, **** they even have a matt hughes line.........where is the din thomas line???? will they even post it??? bastards...........if i dont get back in time good luck to you guys,,hope you make some cash.........:glass:

[yukoncornelius]

Apparently he was on heavy cold medicine... Dana was pissed whoever of Chuck's management even let him do that interview though.

On that note, war with my boy RAMPAGEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EddieP]

drunk??? or what??????

YouTube - Chuck Liddell is wasted - UFCmania.com

[EddieP]

did any of you guys see that interview with chuck on youtube,,, where he seemed either drunk ,high on something or both??? he couldnt even talk........gotta wonder..........i will try and find it ,,to post...........

[yukoncornelius]

No, it is quite well known that Tito was ducking him, a fighter can deny a contract by being "busy" with movies, "injuries", etc...

Anyways, the stuff about rampage losing his edge after becoming "God's Street Soldier" is a wash, I hate hearing it myself. He lost to at the time, the best 2 205'ers in the world. Losses to Wand x2, and Shogun is nothing to complain about. Rua also broke his rib in that fight, and Rampage looked horrible after that happened. I do agree though, he sorta lost some of his "edgyness" but like I said earlier, I really think hes back. He has wanted the big shot and money for a while, and now he has it, I don't see how he doesn't show up in this fight.

[V3r1f13d]

Liddell wasn't really in Tito's "shadow" during the rampage fight. Tito had just been ducking Chuck forever.

The public was on Tito for years. Mainstream never even looked Liddell's way, that's what I mean by in his shadow. He never got any credibility. I really don;t think anyone can duck anyone in UFC since it is all under one roof. Fighters fight who they are told to fight (as opposed to bixng, you have a say), they really don't have a say. Why would Dana want to ruin his poster boy?

In my opinion, Rampage lost his edge as soon as he became a born again Christian. That's when his loses started to pile up.

[yukoncornelius]

Liddell wasn't really in Tito's "shadow" during the rampage fight. Tito had just been ducking Chuck forever. Chuck had all the skills to beat the hell out of Tito at that point and he did 6 months later. Quinton wasn't on top of his game either, he just had ALOT of confidence. He has better training partners now, and really sounds motivated since hes got a big payday if he beats Chuck. It seems Rampage lost his motivation after Wanderlei ended him twice and he couldn't get the money he wanted. Now he has the biggest opportunity of his fighting career. Old Rampage will be back and you'll see an angryyy staredown like of old.

If I bet on Chuck, I wouldn't watch the fight in total comfort at all... You'd be eating alot of juice due to publicity hype surround liddell. Like I said, this line is off (see how I give the tito line example)... Its all about matchup and Rampage is the worst Chuck has had in a while. I don't think Chuck's technical abilities have improved so much as have his ability to find out exactly what fight style works VERY effectively for him. This has been possible due to matchups where Chuck clearly has the advantage stylistically. This fight is a BIG BIG test for him. I'm going off my gut in this situation, I LOVE rampage in this fight considering hes +240.

If I were making odds, I'd open him at +150. But then again, its fan/mainstream hype that has moved it so much.

[EddieP]

fedor is a machine,,i did see him get rocked by fugita i mean bad,,,but he did recover and win that fight........not many light heavies will hang with the top heavyweights period.......... v3 i feel the same way as you do on the rampage fight.......... i liked rampage from the start but now im worried......i do feel chuck has improved from the last time they met,,rampage has been in a few wars while chuck has been crusing right along.......i thought sobral would have done better,,but chuck went through him like he wasnt even there.......... for sure i would never bet a large amount on either guy,, my heart is with rampage but my head says chuck........its a tough call,,with any luck the fight will live up to all the hype..........and the best man will win:beerbang:

[FearTheRaven]

whomever said chuck could beat fedor needs to have their head-checked.

fedor is a machine.

[V3r1f13d]

I know their first fight was years ago, but Rampage had to punch Liddell sqaure in the face about 40 or more times before he was even able to take Liddell down. The fight has to go the exact same way it did the first time. At that time Rampage was on top of his game and Liddell was still in Tito's shadow. Now Liddell is on top of his game and Rampage has slumped. Liddell has very good take down defense, even though he uses the cage a lot.

Rampage would be a "fun" bet but I would personally be sweating the whole time just waiting to see my guy get KO'd. If my money was on Liddell I could watch the fight in comfort.

I really don't see Rampage as a live dog. Just a flat out underdog. Not saying he is going to win or lose. Just saying he's far from live.

[EddieP]

yukon gez i just spent ten minutes writting and the damn post didnt go through.... so you do have some class afterall... no apology needed,but accepted anyways.......guess i said some stuff i should not have also,,you know you can get under a persons skin....im sorry if i offended you in any way....... i guess we are the odd couple,seriously im into co ed wrestling,,, i dont like to fight or argue either....... we see things differently and trying to comunicate by typing is not the best mode,,**** never comes out right........you see rampage as a clearcut winner,,and thats cool but i dont see it like that...i know rampage has a heck of a chin,,, really rua pounded the crap out of quinton,, and he still never gave up or quit......rampage has been in more pure wars with for the most part better fighters,,,but that doesnt mean he will win,,sometimes to many hard fought wars is not good,,and yes chuck has been fighting cupcakes for the most part,,but look at how much less punishment he has taken the past two years or so....as much as i dislike chuck,,he is no punk,,and if jackson is to win,,he best bring his best fight,,,, this is the fight of his life,,sometimes quinton is just an animal and other times he comes in and does nothing.......i hope your right and i hope we both win some cash,,, since football season im about -15 grand, i need some winners badly!!!!!!!!!!!!

[yukoncornelius]

Yes I've watched every ppv, including staying up to watch Pride live... There were just as many MMA upsets in year past, just not mainstream.

*drunk/nice guy revelation....

Best of luck to you my friend, I apologize for my actions. I truly hope you win, along with myself... I don't want to argue any further, BOL Eddie, seriously! As I said, I"ll be adding my full analysis when the full odds are released. Hopefully I benefit some of the members on predictem, as I benefit from them in other sports. I only hope to give back in the sport which I started betting with, and which I feel BY FAR most confident and comfortable with.

Sorry again

[EddieP]

ok what is it with you man??? now your grading my ****en gramar,grammar,gramarr???????????? wtf??? ok tell me how the spelling is on this ok??? **** you!!! how did i do?? (jk) mma was predictable a year ago,,not any more.........so your wrong on that one!!! a year ago i could pick 8 winners out of any 10 fights you could name..........now forget it!! its mainstream,, and how the **** could anyone predict cro cop getting decapiated by gonzaga??? or the terror beating gsp? so how can you predict something when the better fighters are getting beat??? how mister know it all,,please tell me??? what are you basing your opinion on concerning karo??? i hope not his fight with sanchez...... what exactly are you trying to tell me about rampage,,he is not the better fighter therefore he will win??? rampage will have to duplicate his first performance against chuck,, this fight is not going 3 rounds you can tell randy i said so,,someone is going to sleep....rampage i dont think will go down from any single punch,,unless of course its a perfect shot and he doesnt see it coming..........i like rampage,unlike you the guy has some class,,i hope he wins ,but im not putting the 500 i have in my pocket on him..........i will have him parlayed with a few other fights both mma and boxing,,and that goes for chuck also..oh before i forget im very impressed with sokos last two performances and he has beaten two of the top 5 205 pounders,,what else would you like him to do???like i said opinions are like a#@ holes we all have one.....none of us here ,are picking all the winners,,because here would not be needed if we were...hey no problem if you want to educate guys that dont know mma,, im not one of them...i have watched every single ppv the past three years,, have you?? remember i had a million dollars but i spent it all:beerbang:

[yukoncornelius]

lolllllll

Do you really flip a coin man?

I'm not going to argue with you anymore. I try to present logical arguments of why I'm picking someone, thats all. I was only pointing out what you said about the best fighter not always winnign is in direct conflict of your claim that soko is wrecking the 205 division.

I already told you why I think Rampage will win on the ground, hes stronger, and won't get submitted. Good luck with Burkman, Karo is a beast, I'm gonna lay off that, although I'll probably put it in a parlay though.

As for quoting my pick, crocop was good value, had he been prepared and taken Gonzaga more seriously, he woudl've won. My argument WAS logical. Gonzaga had previously not shown good standup, and crocop has some of the best TD defense in all of mma. I seriously don't think you know what logic means or don't use it. You don't think it was LOGICAL to pick the ****in #2 HW in the world who was impressive as HELL at OWGP? You also suffer at using grammar. To be honest, I don't think he cares about the UFC much, his loss was probably a reality check. Did you see how much he got paid? $325,000. MMA is more predictable than any other sport which is why I love betting on it. THere are FAR more upsets in other sports... FAR MORE.

Best of luck to you and your picks (or flips rather). :sm: Once all the lines are released, I'll be giving an analysis on every fight, have slacked on doing that here.

Quinton still +240 on betcris

[EddieP]

current betus odds

UFC 71 Liddell vs Jackson Game Spread Money Line Total Points Team Total Points
Sat 5/26 101 Chuck Liddell -260
10:00PM (EST) 102 Quinton Jackson +200
* Game Note: UFC Light-Heavyweight Championship
Sat 5/26 104 Josh Burkman +220
10:00PM (EST) 105 Karo Parisyan -300