Week 7 Discussion

[Daws1089]

nittany you weren't kidding when you said the kid bostick makes bledsoe look like vick. He is slower than most grandmothers and his wind up/release is brutal. He has major mechanical issues. GL with that wannestache

[NittanyLions94]

And one thing about this Illinois game, this is a revenge game for them so they will not be looking ahead to next week. :thumbs:

[NittanyLions94]

Wannstedt is running that program into the ground. Sad to see, their Qb had a great game.:flush:

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That kid has a wet noodle for an arm. He makes Matt Leinart look like he has a HOSE :puke:

[morty48]

" I think Navy grinds them out on the ground as usual and Pitt makes more costly mistakes and bad coaching decisions." Myself Earlier**


Wannstedt is running that program into the ground. Sad to see, their Qb had a great game.:flush:

In response to me saying Navy could stop the run - I was simply saying the run D was better than the Pass D as the rankings show..
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[COACH DITKA]

IMO the Illini cash boat has sailed.... you just know the whole world will be on them as road faves this week. Not me, I'm strongly leaning Iowa. Of course Illinois looks good, they are coming off 2 big wins at home, & Iowa has lost 4 straight including a terrible performance @ PSU. Well, 3 of those losses were on the road, with the 1 home loss to Indiana (who has their number). I just don't see Iowa coming back home & allowing Illinois to run all over them. I think instead you'll see a defense focused on stopping the run & a Big 10 home win for Iowa...

This is one of those games for the 3rd straight week for the Illini where the line looks off by at least a FG. Yup, one of those "that line looks too good to be true and probably is" games. If I were a "public" bettor on either coast who hadn't seen these teams play, I would have been all over PSU and Wisky. This week, I would be all over Iowa. And this is exactly what scares me. I know the public is gonna be all over my Illini as the line has already rose a point. However, the lines the last 2 games, the public was all over PSU and Wisky at over 80% both times and only the Wisky game saw a half point drop, whereas this week's line has already moved up a point. I am hoping this week is one of those cases where the public pounces on a line and it actually works out for them.
In terms of the game (granted, I may be slightly biased), but I don't see much of a way Iowa can win. The IL players I know and have talked to the last few days, I can't notice a different attitude in them than at a different point in the season. They seem very grounded and aren't acting real cocky like they are finally the ****. I do slightly worry about a sandwich game coming off the biggest win in recent memory and the game that was sold out before the season started and the only one people were really talking about (since they can bust out their "Muck Fichigan/Ann Arbor is a whore" shirts). However, if you look at Iowa, they are just not very good. Brodell and Moeaki are both out, leaving them w/a very inexperienced WR corps - not good for an OL that is equally inexperienced while ranking 118/119 in sacks allowed, esp. since IL is finally getting a pass rush this season. Their run game has bogged down the last few weeks. Christensen's #s look good but his completion % is just lower than Juice's, which is pretty bad.
On the other side of the ball, Iowa's defense is solid but I don't think that will be enough. IL has the 5th ranked ground game in the nation that will put their D to the test, a D that got shredded by PSU last week. Even if our run game suffers slightly, Zook is not afraid to put McGee in there to get the passing game going, as he managed to put up some solid #s in his only extended action against Mizzou.
I can't predict a score for this game but I just can't see reasons why IL should lose this game. We also haven't beat Iowa since '99 so we are due - why not this year? Anyways, just my two cents.


Moose

[redsfann]

redsfann

i moved down to houston after i graduated 4 yrs ago and havent been to a game since. was close to getting a ticket to last years osu game then thought the better of it. was also gonna go to the alamo game last yr but decided to stay in iowa for christmas and new years.

i got in on illinois at -3 and if you feel uncomfortable then just buy the 1/2 point. i think the hook works a little differently in college than the pros. and to put it this way, i normally never put over 2 units on a game, and i got 8.5 to win 7 on illinois. normally i dont like to put all my eggs in one basket, but i took the bait this time. ive watched every iowa game but the niu game, and ive seen the last two illini games. i put no stock into iowa playing wisky close, as everyone plays wisky close. i think illini hammer iowa and i expect illini to go to michigan and get the w there as well. mendenhall and benn are for real. juice lethal on the ground as well. i guess well see what happens, gl!

Cool, hodown. My wife works for Lyondell Chemical in Clinton, headquarters is there in Houston. I've been down there a couple of times with her and had a nice time. Reading my mind about the Illini/Iowa game this Saturday. I, too, bought the half-point and dropped a large amount of $$ on the Illini. Maybe the oddsmakers get wise to how bad the Hawks are next week, but I'll gladly take the books money if they are gonna hang rediculous lines like this one.

[bookiekilla]

ok..i think its going to be Pitt or no play for me...just can't back navy in this situation and with their horrible run d...

and one more thing...just found this somewhere...it might just push me over the edge and on Pitt....

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Navy +1.5 1st Half Lay 22**/20**

Navy +2.5 Game Lay 22**/20**

Navy +165 (ml) Lay 20**/33**

Good Luck!!
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let see how many of y'all can guess who that is??? Nothing better than to fade his ass to start the week of college football for me...lol

[Underdog88]

Just a heads up UDog, I watched Bostick play in HS and that kid makes Drew Bledsoe look like Mike Vick in terms of mobility.

Navy is dead last in College football, with just 3 total sacks on the year :thumbs:

[NittanyLions94]

Just a heads up UDog, I watched Bostick play in HS and that kid makes Drew Bledsoe look like Mike Vick in terms of mobility.

[Underdog88]

Pitts Qb's have been picked 9 times and were 5-16 on 3rd downs last game they and are going to have to work in 2 freshman on the O-line . Think they will Just try to run mccoy into the ground . Navy d is what it is but I think they may be a little better stopping the run.

Navy is not better at stopping the run, & are allowing 31.4 ppg. If you look at last game's stats, remember Pitt was out of the game halfway through the 1st quarter, so of course the stats will be horrible. Bostic is starting & hasn't thrown a pick yet, although his playing time has been limited. There's no telling how he'll react to the pressure, but at least it's a home game for him to start. Also, it's not like he's expected to throw for 400 yards either- although judging fron Wannstedt's interviews, he'll be looking to throw the ball a bit more than usual.....

"In order for us to win this game, we're going to have to score 28 points, & we're not going to do that totally on the ground..."


While I'm sure McCoy will get plenty of touches (Navy has the nation's 83rd ranked rush D), I also think Pitt will look to exploit Navy's 107th ranked pass D. In Navy's closer games vs Duke & Ball St. they surrendered plenty of yards through the air, but managed to keep it close (& beat Duke) because of their effectiveness in the run game. Duke threw for 428, but surrendered 300 yards rushing. Ball State threw for 277, but gave up 521 on the ground. Rutgers held Navy to 254 rushing, & got the DD win. Pitt has the nation's 27th ranked rush D, & has allowed over 150 yards rushing just 1x (last week 173 vs. Virginia). Also they've had 10 days to work on defending Navy's option... I think it's vital for Pitt to get ahead early, & take a little pressure off Bostic.

[bookiekilla]

ok...i think their ATS record after the airforce game is bad...not that it would mean anything in this game...just thought it was a little interesting..since the airforce game is usually their biggest rivalry game of the year...i believe they are 1-4 ATS with with 2 ties since 2000 after playing Airforce...like i said, this might not mean anything, but it would also mean that they have a little bit of a letdown following thier 'big' game..

[morty48]

2005 - Game after Air force -- Beat Kent st. 34-31 - were at home
2006- game after air force -- Lost to Rutgers 34-0---Then lost to The Golden domers 38-14

I don't know how much weight to put into this both opponets were loaded in 2006.

Pitts Qb's have been picked 9 times and were 5-16 on 3rd downs last game they and are going to have to work in 2 freshman on the O-line . Think they will Just try to run mccoy into the ground . Navy d is what it is but I think they may be a little better stopping the run . I think Navy grinds them out on the ground as usual and Pitt makes more costly mistakes and bad coaching decisions.

[bookiekilla]

anyone think that this is a 'letdown' spot for Navy? Not sure what the exact numbers are, still looking for those, but I believe Navy has a real ****ty record the week after they face air force...i can't remember where i read that, but remember reading it somewhere...thoughts?

[bookiekilla]

Anyone have any thoughts on the game tonight? Navy / Pitt.....pitt looked like **** the last lately, but Navy defense can't stop anyone...I'm leanding towards Pitt and/or the over in this game...leaning more towards the side then the total...still looking into this game and wanted to get a discussion going regarding this game...

[hodown]

nigel-

definitely not one of those, "im so pissed off im gonna bet the house picks." if you are undecided but have a lean to illinois, just make a small play on them, or vise versa. theres always going to be different opinions on this board, i just usually follow who i respect the most. it just so happens that some of the cappers i really respect on this board dont like illinois this wk, but what can you do?

the fact of the matter is that iowa has lost 8 straight in the big 10 and i got them close to a pickem situation (-3) against a team that ive seen multiple times, and i really think illini have a legit shot at 10-2 this yr. iowa historically struggles with teams that are fast and run a spread. illini dont really have a spread offense in the traditional sense, i think its similar to wv's offense.

every other spread for iowa has been 7 or higher which for me is difficult to gauge with a kf coached team, cuz u never know what your going to get. at 3 i feel its more of a pick the winner and youll win ats situation. iowa does much better against traditional offenses than spread offenses. if i lose i have more units in the account so it im not going all in or anything like that. i just like the play alot, but gl