Week 7 ~ New England at Miami Discussion

[DevilsAdvokt]

I took my girls to a brittany spears concert, a few years back... tickets, shirts, souveniers, and lotsa beer that night... There still no "WE", with me and brittany :drunk:

but there is a you and her....


how soon you forget... she:showtits: :ba: and the oven:thumbs:

[CuseFan10]

I will say it again. I spend a lot of money on the Redskins whether it is clothing or tickets. They are a big part of my life so as a big fan, I have the right to call myself part of the team.

That is patently ridiculous. Daniel Snyder doesn't know, or give a rat's ass, who you are. Neither does Joe Gibbs, Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley, LaRon Landry, Andre Carter, Sean Taylor, Jon Jansen, Greg Williams, Al Saunders, the equipment manager, the attendant who scans your ticket as you enter the stadium, the parking attendant, or the guys who clean the garbage in the stadium after the game is over. None of their wives (or significant "others") even know who you are - oh yea, and you don't know them either. Also, no one that works for the Redskins front office knows who you are, and no one who works for FedEx Field knows who you are either.

You are a fan, you are one insignificant (and I don't mean that personally, I'm sure you are a cool guy and all) person out of millions who root for the Redskins. You are in no way whatsoever a part of the 2007 Washington Redskins football team though.

:bang:

The only usage of "we" that is borderline acceptable when you physically aren't on the team or work for the organization is when you go to (or graduated from) a college.

[CuseFan10]

Personally im putting 20 bucks on phins money line

:laughing:

Just light that $20 with a match and then drop the ashes in the garbage... come on man, be serious...

[CuseFan10]

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[homedawg]

I took my girls to a brittany spears concert, a few years back... tickets, shirts, souveniers, and lotsa beer that night... There still no "WE", with me and brittany :drunk:

[DevilsAdvokt]

I will say it again. I spend a lot of money on the Redskins whether it is clothing or tickets. They are a big part of my life so as a big fan, I have the right to call myself part of the team. If you dont like that fine but I bet a lot of people here will agree with me that when you spend as much time, money and emotion on a team, you can say we as much as you want.

I will agree with you, there are many people who use the term we and rightfully so can do it.. is that saying i didnt spend thousands and thousands of dollars going to college at a university and when my schools football team wins the game it is wrong for me to say "we" won the game today... or in highschool i gave my whole youth up to listen to pointless left wing lectures all day about nonsense and when the highschool basketball team and football and soccer teams won i cant use the word we... allthough we help fundraise for school sports and hold pointless school spirit assemblys in the gym to cheer the players on the team before the game on that given friday....

i understand the we part being about u arent on the team and nothing you did helped the out come of the game,

but guess what every dollar you spend on athletes merchandise goes to support that team or players whether it be his paycheck (which is ridiculous) or up keep on the stadium or new jerseys for the team, or coaches payroll...

get over it, if u want to refer your team and you as "we or us" go for it you live in america and you paying your taxes give you the right to do so...


A-MEN TO AMERICA:guzzle:

[GamblinMan03]

Are you the long snapper or something? What number jersey do you wear? :laughing:

Drives me nuts when people with no affiliation to the team other than being a fan use the word(s) "we" or "our" to refer to their favorite team. You're not on the team, there is no "we".

I will say it again. I spend a lot of money on the Redskins whether it is clothing or tickets. They are a big part of my life so as a big fan, I have the right to call myself part of the team. If you dont like that fine but I bet a lot of people here will agree with me that when you spend as much time, money and emotion on a team, you can say we as much as you want.

[DevilsAdvokt]

Personally im putting 20 bucks on phins money line


hoping history repeats itself as in tom bradys toughest opponent has always been the phins def...

in most of recent years phins have given him troubles...

this year maybe diff with excellent wr's and great def vs a lemon quarterback..

but than again every team does usually win a football game and why not this be the dolphins only victory of the season... im rooting for it:thumbs:

[Underdog88]

O.K. thanks Meester.... that's what I was looking for, I stand corrected :thumbs:

[DevilsAdvokt]

I think you guys misunderstood what I was saying. Forget the teams that are playing, I'm simply stating that +1300 is a very high number for a 16 point spread! I understand that there is generally a bit more value in NFL compared to college football. When comparing identical lines in NCAA & NFL, the NFL moneylines are generally about 10 cents higher, but this line is definitely considerably higher!


If RJP is out there, I'm wondering if you have a basic points----> moneyline chart?

a +17 spread at -110

Fair Money Line: +10000 this is what calculator says

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

I think you guys misunderstood what I was saying. Forget the teams that are playing, I'm simply stating that +1300 is a very high number for a 16 point spread! I understand that there is generally a bit more value in NFL compared to college football. When comparing identical lines in NCAA & NFL, the NFL moneylines are generally about 10 cents higher, but this line is definitely considerably higher!


If RJP is out there, I'm wondering if you have a basic points----> moneyline chart?

I knew what you were saying...I was just respondong to Cuse.
You were saying the ML is not in the usual comparison to the Side.

I'm sure there is a ratio chart for that somewhere...

[Meestermike]

Wow that's crazy! Does anyone else think there's something completely wrong with how high the ML is for a 16 pt spread? To me that ML would reflect a 20+ pt spread, WTF!!!

Here is something to ponder

[B]NFL Spread/ML Equivalency Charts
At Even Odds:
Spread 	Prob. 	ML[/B]
0 EV 	50.00% 	±100.0
0½ EV 	50.05% 	±100.2
1 EV 	51.08% 	±104.4
1½ EV 	52.08% 	±108.7
2 EV 	53.02% 	±112.9
2½ EV 	53.86% 	±116.7
3 EV 	58.78% 	±142.6
3½ EV 	62.22% 	±164.7
4 EV 	63.84% 	±176.5
4½ EV 	64.75% 	±183.7
5 EV 	65.94% 	±193.6
5½ EV 	66.56% 	±199.0
6 EV 	68.53% 	±217.8
6½ EV 	69.44% 	±227.2
7 EV 	73.20% 	±273.1
7½ EV 	74.58% 	±293.3
8 EV 	75.86% 	±314.3
8½ EV 	76.27% 	±321.4
9 EV 	77.05% 	±335.7
9½ EV 	77.28% 	±340.1
10 EV 	80.64% 	±416.6
10½ EV 	81.45% 	±439.0
11 EV 	83.28% 	±498.2
11½ EV 	83.65% 	±511.7
12 EV 	84.64% 	±551.1
12½ EV 	84.82% 	±558.8
13 EV 	86.83% 	±659.1
13½ EV 	87.13% 	±677.1
14 EV 	90.34% 	±934.9
14½ EV 	90.68% 	±972.9
15 EV 	91.86% 	±1128.0
15½ EV 	91.96% 	±1144.0
16 EV 	93.63% 	±1468.9
16½ EV 	93.74% 	±1497.3
17 EV 	96.61% 	±2850.2
17½ EV 	96.71% 	±2940.5

[B]At -110:
Spread 	Prob. 	Fave ML 	Dog ML[/B]
PK -110 50.00% 	-110.0 	-110.0
0½ -110 50.05% 	-110.2 	-109.8
1 -110 	51.08% 	-115.1 	-105.1
1½ -110 52.08% 	-120.1 	-100.8
2 -110 	53.02% 	-125.0 	+103.2
2½ -110 53.86% 	-129.5 	+106.9
3 -110 	58.78% 	-160.2 	+131.5
3½ -110 62.22% 	-187.2 	+152.7
4 -110 	63.84% 	-201.9 	+163.9
4½ -110 64.75% 	-210.9 	+170.8
5 -110 	65.94% 	-223.4 	+180.3
5½ -110 66.56% 	-230.3 	+185.4
6 -110 	68.53% 	-254.5 	+203.3
6½ -110 69.44% 	-266.9 	+212.3
7 -110 	73.20% 	-311.0 	+260.9
7½ -110 74.58% 	-357.2 	+275.4
8 -110 	75.86% 	-387.2 	+295.4
8½ -110 76.27% 	-397.5 	+302.2
9 -110 	77.05% 	-418.5 	+315.9
9½ -110 77.28% 	-425.2 	+320.1
10 -110 80.64% 	-544.4 	+393.1
10½ -110 81.45% -581.5 	+414.5
11 -110 83.28% 	-684.2 	+471.0
11½ -110 83.65% -708.7 	+483.9
12 -110 84.64% 	-782.8 	+521.5
12½ -110 84.82% -797.7 	+528.9
13 -110 86.83% 	-1006.4 +624.6
13½ -110 87.13% -1046.9 +641.8
14 -110 90.34% 	-1765.2 +887.8
14½ -110 90.68% -1899.1 +924.2
15 -110 91.86% 	-2553.3 +1072.2
15½ -110 91.96% -2632.6 +1087.4
16 -110 93.63% 	-5121.0 +1397.6
16½ -110 93.74% -5466.1 +1424.7
17 -110 96.61% 		
17½ -110 96.71%

[Underdog88]

I think you guys misunderstood what I was saying. Forget the teams that are playing, I'm simply stating that +1300 is a very high number for a 16 point spread! I understand that there is generally a bit more value in NFL compared to college football. When comparing identical lines in NCAA & NFL, the NFL moneylines are generally about 10 cents higher, but this line is definitely considerably higher!


If RJP is out there, I'm wondering if you have a basic points----> moneyline chart?

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

That is high, wow... But then again ,they gave up 30+ points to the Browns so how many can the Patriots score if they want? The Patriots avg 38.5ppg I think so basically to take Miami you are telling me that the Fins can put up over 20 points against the Pats with Cleo Lemon. I don't think so. The vaunted Dallas offense wouldn't have even scored 20 points had it not been for a fumble return for TD.

:thumbs:


...that's what I am thinking, Cuse....16 "seems" like alot, but how will Miami's 29th ranked defence keep NE from scoring 40+? ...Which means Cleo & Miami will probably have to score at least 4 TDs on Belichek's 6th ranked defence to cover that number (without any NE defensive scores of course)...I don't see that happening. NE has held 3 good offences in check the last three weeks (Dal/Cle/Cin), and should do so with Mia too.

17 was too much to give Buffalo. 7.5 was too much to give Cincy (lmao, what a joke that was). 16.5 was too much to give Cleveland. And now 16 is too much to give the overall much ****tier club in Miami. Not from where I sit. But I'm just a square.

:beer2:

GL with whatever side you guys play! :thumbs:

[CuseFan10]

Well we are one of the only teams that can do it. Our defense is one of the best defenses in the league. We have a solid running game that can control the clock and a quarterback in Jason Campbell that doesnt make many mistakes.

Are you the long snapper or something? What number jersey do you wear? :laughing:

Drives me nuts when people with no affiliation to the team other than being a fan use the word(s) "we" or "our" to refer to their favorite team. You're not on the team, there is no "we".