Anyone hear this about Vick???

[birdsfan5]

I'm not supporting dogfighting in any way...if Vick did what it says in that indictment, he's gonna do time...i have no doubt about that......BUT...shouldn't he be given the same due process that the NFL gave Leonard Little who fkcn killed someone or Ray Lewis who was accused of a double murder right here in atlanta??? Or hell didn't Kobe get accused of Rape, and was playing while his trial was going on?? I realize dogs are a touchy subject..being man's best friend and all, but if Goodell suspends Vick for the entire season before the outcome of this trail, it will be nothing more than crumbling to the preasure of those PETA lunatics....I know my view on this is very biased...i realize that....who knows...maybe I'm just dreading the fact of having my team being QB'd by Joey fckn Harrington!!:bang:

I dont see it as preasure from PETA, because Goodell is tring to be a hard ass. All you have to do is look at Pacman he has not be found guilty. IMO PETA is just as bad as Vick, they killed a Philly cop that was trying to calm them down.

[bookiekilla]

I'm not supporting dogfighting in any way...if Vick did what it says in that indictment, he's gonna do time...i have no doubt about that......BUT...shouldn't he be given the same due process that the NFL gave Leonard Little who fkcn killed someone or Ray Lewis who was accused of a double murder right here in atlanta??? Or hell didn't Kobe get accused of Rape, and was playing while his trial was going on?? I realize dogs are a touchy subject..being man's best friend and all, but if Goodell suspends Vick for the entire season before the outcome of this trail, it will be nothing more than crumbling to the preasure of those PETA lunatics....I know my view on this is very biased...i realize that....who knows...maybe I'm just dreading the fact of having my team being QB'd by Joey fckn Harrington!!:bang:

[Q-Unit]

not to excuse what Leonard Little did, but the guy who wrote this article had one thing right for sure.

PETA is big league, you just don't **** with dogs.

I know our society is "going down the tubes" morally as pegged by those doomsday naysayers, but it does comfort me somewhat that the majority can still stick up for dogs.

I mean they are man's best friends, in this case, who gives a flying fudge about humans, save the dogs! :beerbang:

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

I am far from a hunter, I have never done it, and never will....but the fact that this guy can compare legal, regulated hunting to the practice of training dogs to rip each other apart, and then killing the underperforming ones that don't "rip" well enough, and to do it in a tortuous and inhumane manner....boggles my mind. He just doesn't get it.

Another point I haven't seen made is the fact that Vick being a multi-millomaire NFL superstar, and still running a business like this makes it even sicker to me, as it can only be for the sole purpose of his own sick, twisted enjoyment. It is a horrible thing regardless, but I could almost see a reason if Joe Blow was trying to run a disgusting rackett like this, bcause he is trying to make a buck, similar to other illegal activities like the black market slavery or prostitution. All sick ****, but people will do sick **** to make money. Vick does not need money. He has the world by the balls...so that only leaves a reason that he loves to see dogs maul each other or be mercessly killed, and has no regard for life.

I would like to think the majority of hunters, who participate in that lifestyle would have some respect for the animals they are killing. I don't know anything about it, and never will...but I would hope they do. JMO.

[homedawg]

[bookiekilla]

This isn't going to be very popular here...but.....i thought it was a good article..

Morning Rush

By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports
August 13, 2007




Editor's note: New NFL columnist Michael Silver makes his debut with a preview of "Morning Rush," which will appear every Monday during the season.

The franchise quarterback had just suffered the most crushing defeat of his career and he needed to get away from it all. So the peeved passer headed to the backwoods of Mississippi, where he cleared his head by killing a defenseless animal.

Sorry, PETA, but the gun-toting quarterback in question was not Michael Vick. In fact, it was Peyton Manning, whose aim with a hunting rifle apparently is as true as it is with the ol' pigskin.

In January 2003, a couple days after the Indianapolis Colts' 41-0 playoff annihilation by the New York Jets, Manning went to a 12,000-acre spread in central Mississippi owned by a family friend and got his mind right. As he told me later that year, "You're out there hunting for deer and ducks, just you and your gun. It's peaceful and totally quiet, no cell phones or anything like that. It's a good detox, the type of thing that gets your batteries re-charged."

In other words: Bad news, Bambi.


This is not meant to be a shot at Manning, one of the sports world's good guys and, in fairness, one of the many NFL players who enjoys such recreational pursuits. There are plenty of reasons his behavior should not be compared to the alleged doings of the Train Wreck That Is Michael Vick, beginning with the fact that it was legal.

Some would also argue that it is more humane to put a bullet through an unsuspecting deer than to end the life of a canine in any of the hideous ways that the exiled Atlanta Falcons quarterback and his co-defendants are accused – though I'm not necessarily sure the eight-point buck with the 18-inch spread that Manning had mounted on the wall of his Indy home would see it that way.

The larger point is that, as much as we're tempted to react to the federal indictment of Vick as though it contained the most heinous accusations against a football player since O.J. Simpson's, there's a whole lot of hypocrisy here.

For one thing, animals are put to death on a continuous basis, as I was just telling one of my fellow pet-lovers at a neighborhood barbecue while wiping away the hamburger grease that had dripped onto my suede Pumas.

It also must be noted – and I am not defending the sick behavior of anyone who a jury decides has committed an offense such as electrocuting a pit bull – that there are NFL players who've been charged with having committed deplorable crimes against actual human beings. Some of them have even been convicted, yet most of us manage to let it go when they do good things for the home team or emerge as value picks in the fantasy draft.

During my recent training camp travels, I stood in the St. Louis Rams' practice bubble watching 10th-year defensive end Leonard Little hone his impressive pass-rushing skills. The workout, which had been moved inside because of concerns about the hellacious heat, was closed to the public, but I didn't see any picketers outside.

To jog your memory, Little was the player who in 1998 drove home after celebrating his birthday, ran a red light in downtown St. Louis and caused a collision that killed another motorist, 47-year-old Susan Gutweiler. A breath test measured his blood-alcohol level at 0.19 percent, nearly twice the legal limit, and he eventually pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter and spent 90 days in jail. When he returned to the Rams after an eight-game NFL suspension, Mothers Against Drunk Driving protested outside a Rams game, but few people outside of St. Louis seemed to notice, and Little went on to become one of the league's premier pass rushers.

It's a horrible story, but it might have contained at least a slightly redemptive touch had Little assuaged his guilt by urging others never to make the same mistake. He could have become a vocal and visible spokesman for consuming alcohol responsibly. He could have used his platform as a star athlete to try to save the lives of future drunk-driving victims.

Instead, Little drank and drove again. In 2004, Little was arrested for driving while intoxicated after being pulled over in Ladue, Mo., for speeding at 3:44 a.m. The arresting officer's affidavit stated that Little had "bloodshot, watery eyes and emitted an odor of alcohol;" that he had "attempted and failed three sobriety tests;" and that the player had "admitted to drinking alcoholic beverages."

Little, charged with a felony for driving while intoxicated as a persistent offender, was later acquitted after his lawyer convinced a jury that the arresting officer hadn't followed proper procedures in conducting the field-sobriety tests. Though another officer testified that he had administered a breath-alcohol test at the scene which showed that Little's blood-alcohol content was nearly double the legal limit of .08 percent, the test was inadmissible under Missouri law because of the unreliability of portable equipment. (After arriving at the police station, Little had refused to take a second breath-alcohol test.)

In other words, Little triumphed in court thanks to the legal equivalent of the Tuck Rule – only with a far more subdued reaction by the offended party (in this case, anyone with a brain and/or a conscience) than that displayed by Raider Nation.

I always thought that MADD, which tried to draw attention to the case, was a robust, publicity-savvy advocacy group. But, apparently, PETA is the big leagues, and MADD is rookie ball. Then again, everyone, from the anti-war movement to the salty pseudo-scientists trying to convince us that global warming is a hoax, is a lightweight compared to PETA.

I'm not mad at MADD; I'm simply pointing out that Little – and, for that matter, plenty of other NFL players whose behavior has been unconscionable – is allowed to ply his trade without getting shouted down by the masses.

Meanwhile Vick, a man with no prior criminal record who has not yet been tried or convicted, is the NFL's version of TB on a plane. Falcons owner Arthur Blank was ready to suspend his franchise quarterback before commissioner Roger Goodell intervened and banished Vick from training camp, with no resistance from the NFL Players Association, which is supposed to represent Vick's interests. Now Goodell is preparing to shelve Vick for the entire 2007 season. The fallen star may never play another NFL down.

The biggest reason this is happening so quickly, prematurely and intensely is because of us. We're the angry mob shouting for justice, albeit via Internet chat rooms and sports-talk radio; ultimately, we're the ones empowering Goodell to act, with PETA doing the bulk of the legwork.

The allegations against Vick and the resulting outcry are tarnishing the brand, and Goodell, the owners who employ him and the companies which supply the league's ad revenues are highly aware of the stakes. Meanwhile, in terms of public reproach, other players are getting away with … well, crimes like involuntary manslaughter.

This is not meant to be flippant or to suggest a value judgment in any way, but it could be argued that right now, an NFL player would be less stressed about going on trial for domestic abuse than he would for dogfighting.

I can't predict whether another NFL player will follow Vick into court, but I can tell you that he's not the only one caught up in the animal-fighting culture. One of the league's best role models, New Orleans Saints running back Deuce McAllister, concedes that the problem is more widespread than some outsiders may believe. "If you look at the big picture, cockfighting just got banned in Louisiana," he said last Thursday. "That helps put all of this in perspective."

When I asked McAllister, a native of tiny Lena, Miss., if he'd ever been invited to a dogfight, he laughed and said, "Come on, I'm from the country."

Now think about this: There is a player on an NFL roster with an image of two dogs fighting tattooed on his lower back. If PETA figures out who he is, this could add new meaning to the term "bad ink."

For what it's worth, the player in question is from the South, but his name is not Michael Vick.

If that disappoints you, take heart: It's not Peyton Manning, either.

[Realtechfan]

I say you throw him in the pit and let him fight with the dogs.

I agree put his little ass in there with about 50 starving pits with steak tied to his ass...Put it on PPV TV so I get a chance to watch you prolly can tell who I would be rooting to win

[Realtechfan]

I'm also a life long Falcons fan and this POS is done here He will never ever put on a falcons uniform again...If for some dumass reason AB keeps Vicks srry ass I will never ever watch another Falcons game again but from the press conf Blank held he sounded like a man who was done with the BS that comes with a player like Vick..

I never liked Vick as a QB he may have made a good slot WR but at this point His name makes me sick to even hear GET HIM OUT OF ATL HE IS NOTHING BUT A SRRY ASS THUG JUST LIKE HIS BROTHER MARCUS

[FearTheRaven]

I say you throw him in the pit and let him fight with the dogs.

[Stifler's Mom]

Well hopefully the very least that happens to Vick is that Dutch Goose gets to **** down his neck a time or two

[Q-Unit]

WOW horfin, great piece.

good points, and I have to agree. but why just me, everyone has to agree. if your employer even sniffs you being "involved" in something bad/illegal, they have that right to fire you, or ask you to resign. you of course have in turn the right to sue them for wrongful termination.

I'm willing to bet Vick won't be doing that against the NFL or the Atlanta Falcons.

so while Vick may end up innocent, or reprieved of all charges, if his employers, the Falcons or the NFL don't want him working for them, tough cookies. Just the way life is. anyone crying for Vick wouldn't say that with your own job on the line. Sure it isnt fair, but when was life fair, the guy had 100 million reasons to live a normal life. Didnt have to be perfect, go out to strip clubs, party, etc... but to have your "good" name within a mile of this mess is your fault, because its YOUR house and YOUR "friends".

like my mom always said, "how can you hurt something, that looks you in the eye as if it can understand you, and comes to you when you call it."

for all the ESPN media coverage and other media outlets exposing this story, everyone always forgets those cute little human interest stories, numerous of them every year from all over america chronicling dogs who save their owners, dogs who lick their owners awake in the middle of a house fire, dogs who save drowning children, even this dog last week down here in Texas I believe jumped in the way of a rattlesnake about to bite this little girl. I never got to see the followup story, but they said the dog was still under care for the poisonous bite.

any a-hole who says, "its not like he was fighting humans, its just dogs, whats the big deal?" is just that. an a-hole. lets stick you in a burning house with Vick and his cronies, or put you with a rattlesnake with only Vick between the two of you. Wanna bet Vick outruns any dogs getting away from those situations?

and yes its very logical to compare dog fighting to UFC. only theres a BIG difference between dogs forced to fight, and human beings (stupid big oafs) who volunteer for that punishment AND get paid for it. hook up last years UFC champion to a "rape stand" and treat him like one of those poor dogs, maybe that way the a-holes who want to use that stupid excuse can shut up then.

I swear people can be so stupid. whats sad is all those dogs Vick "allegedly" used to fight would probably "have his back" longer than his supposed "friends" who are testifying against him now.

I however cannot say that in all seriousness... When your ass is on the line (and I mean seriously on the line), who's to say which one of us would take the fall for our friends, or turn them in. I really couldnt imagine.

I guess that whats separates us from dogs. They don't think about it huh, they just lick your hands and wag that tail.

people can be so stupid.

(Btw I'm not a vegetarian either, I eat beef, and I love me some steak, but I've seen cows, they dont look at you like they understand what youre saying, and they certainly dont come to you when you call them, plus their **** really really stinks)

(And the way cows are slaughtered to be eaten, is designed to be painless, its illegal to make cows feel any pain before they are taken to be processed, so all your hypocritical hippies who eat meat but want to call out people disgusted with Vick and call them out for being against dog-fighting yet eating meat, go find some other excuse. torture and humane slaughter for consumption are two different things)

[FlyersFan]

Great points Horfin and Stiffy.....

sad thing is that there could be the biggest mountain of evidence against him and certain segments of the population will still claim racism. it's funny how there was almost no evidence from day 1 in the Duke rape case, yet that same segment of the population wanted them hung from day 1. we need to learn to move past race and accept the truth in this country. too many people use the race card to alibi themselves or other people for ****ty things. justice should have no color.

[Stifler's Mom]

Good points Horfin.

I too am no hunter, nor do i really agree with it in most aspects (how anyone could call hunting a "sport" is completely rediculous IMO), but I do understand that controlling the population of some animals (especially deer) is necessary. I also agree with the points that hunters don't torture the animals that they hunt, and that most hunters will end up either eating the meat, or selling it to someone who will. In addition, they certainly don't train 2 deer to fight each other before torturing and killing them pointlessly in the most cruel means possible.

These dogs were obviously tortured, and I doubt anyone ate their meat either (although I guess you never know with these sick ****s). Plus the dog population can be controlled by spaying/neutering. No need to kill the ones that already exist as if they're gonna reproduce endlessly with no way to control it like wild animals would. So comparing these acts to hunting holds zero water.

Furthermore, no one (that I know of) has pet deer, nor are deer able to be affectionate towards humans like dogs (again, not that I'm aware of). These dogs all probably could have been good pets for someone who wasn't a complete waste of life like Vick and his fellow defendants, but they never got the chance.

Vick is just a piece of ****, as are the rest of his homies who were in on this ****. I hope he rots in federal prison for the max time allowed....and how anyone could throw the race card into this is just ridiculous. I personally think his punishment should be being put in a room with about 5 or 10 rabid pitbulls and let them eat him....along with the rest of the buffoons that were involved in those completely inhumane acts. But no, he'll probably either get off completely, or with some ridiculous sentence including a fine, community service, and time in a half way house or something. Hell if I know, but if there's any justice, he'll be put in general population in a federal prison where anyone else who did the same thing would be put. Then he can use his super running and eluding skills dodging "Big Ed" in the shower.

[Horfin]

Vick is done in Atlanta. He will not ever take a snap in that town again. Word on the street is that Blank asked Goddell to tell Vick to step away for awhile. Probably because how this bull**** is somehow becoming a racial issue-Blank will be there forever and probably wanted the NFL to shield him from any racial overtones. I don't know how it possibly can be a racial issue but that is what it is turning into. That aspect really pisses me off. If it were Manning or Brady who was shooting dogs in the head, hanging dogs and electricuting them you would have the exact same thoughts and they'd probably be even more damning of the white QBs because people wouldn't be so scared to state their real thoughts because of the fear of the race card coming out.

To the guy who said: "People are indicted all the time."

With FEW exceptions Federal Prosecutors do not waste their time building charges that don't exist. I'm tired of people saying "Well this could be like the Duke thing." One word for you: BULL***********. This ain't some dumbass North Carolina Prosecutor with an agenda to get re-elected. This is serious. I'm an attorney and if you have never been in a federal court go one day. It will put you in a feeling of awe. You walk through the doors and it is a feeling of "This place has the power to take my life away." Guess what...it does.

I cannot stress how serious this stuff is. There is a BIG ASS difference between State Prison and Federal Prison.

I personally think that Vick's career is over. If you notice the one guy plead out two days later. That is not good news for Vick. That man has already made a deal with the prosecutors. He will say anything and everything to **** Vick now, even if it isn't true. He's gonna say it because the more good stuff he gives the better his deal becomes.

My Opinion: Vick is done, Godell will not ever let him take a snap in the NFL again. When that testimony comes out and it is even more graphic than what we have seen and heard, noone will have any respect for him.

Killing animals is sick. Killing animals to make money is sicker. Feeding Animals gunpowder to make them mean is even sicker. But providing the funding for a dog fighting ring to your homies and giving them a house and money and everything else only to get turned on in the end is Karma. Vick is done.

People make the argument: "What about Due Process...Vick shouldn't lose his job without Due Process." This is the dumbest argument ever. Due Process is afforded to yu by the US (and State) Constituion for protection FROM THE GOVERNMENT. Your employer whether it is Sears or McDonalds does not owe you Due Process.

People make the argument: "This is not any different than Deer Hunting." I'm no hunter and personally think it is sick (but then again I eat chicken, pigs, and cows every day." There are two BIG differences: (1) Deer Hunting, for the most part, is not torturing a deer. A Deer hunter does not shoot the deer in the left leg and watch it scamper and then shoot the deer in the back hip and watch it drag its body along the ground and then feed it gunpowder and then finally shoot it in the head; (2) Deer hunting serves two purposes: (a) food and (b) it trims the Deer population. If not for deer hunting you couldn't drive down an interstate without 1 in 10 cars hitting a deer. Still kind of a sick reason, but it is a reason. Big Big Difference: training animals to kill other animals and killing animals for food and limiting population growth.

Homedawg.....a picture says a 1000 words, that one is just one of a thousand dogs.

Sorry for the long-winded response.
Horfin

[homedawg]

I could have forgave him for alot of ****, but this ain't one of em. I have done such a reverse that I hope he does time. It was said best on espn radio. You go to a movie at a theatre and in the movie a bunch of people get killed and nobody cries, but a dog gets killed and everybody cries. I shant be forgiving him not one iota. Burn in hell baby

:beerbang: