Chris Benoit and family found dead in home

[Q-Unit]

agreed.

just please dont let ric flair take off his robe/shirt again on public television!

:blackeye: :beer2:

[homedawg]

And now I heard that McMahon released a statement saying Benoit tested negative for roids in his last screening, and plays it off like wrestlers don't do it, and that he actually would do something about it if they did by suggestings they have "screenings"? Shame on you Vince. Then again, McMahon is probably the biggest juicer of them all. I mean pull out a tape from the early 80's when Vince was a broadcaser/interviewer and compare it to how he looks now. How the hell does he go from 150 lbs of "Pencil Neck Geek" as "Classy" Freddie Blassie used to call him, to like 240 lbs of ripped muscle? Yea, I guess he just worked out alot, LMFAO.

"roids" are for the lazy man!!!!! Back in the day, I was into carbs, vitamins, & pumpin' the Iron @240lbs!!!! Today(20yrs later), I still have 18" biceps & a
54"chest... only difference now is, the "beer gut" and the
extra poundage(270)... anyone that competes regularly, can keep the "ripped" body, without the "roids".... JMO :beer2:

[Stifler's Mom]

Actually, I wasn't in any way saying that I think steroids are ok for use in baseball, football, or any other sport, or that any of the people that have used them ILLEGALLY or AGAINST THE RULES should be excused. Sorry if it came off that way.

What I was saying is that it's common knowledge (and pretty damn obvious) that just about every wrestler takes them now-a-days, along with tons of painkillers and whatever else. Granted, these are grown men who choose their own lifestyle and career, but on the other hand, there is an alarming trend going on, and the fact remains that alot of the substances these guys use are illegal, yet in the area of pro wrestling it's just always overlooked, cause well, no one gives a **** because it's not "real" anyway.....as compared to in baseball where so many are up in arms about long standing and legit records being broken by guys who have juiced up.

It's either both, or none...IMO...as it's just as illegal for a wrestler to use an illegal substance as it is for a baseball or football player, except pro wrestling doesn't have rules prohibiting its participants from using them (which baseball didn't either when these guys were juicing up, am i not correct?)

And now I heard that McMahon released a statement saying Benoit tested negative for roids in his last screening, and plays it off like wrestlers don't do it, and that he actually would do something about it if they did by suggestings they have "screenings"? Shame on you Vince. Then again, McMahon is probably the biggest juicer of them all. I mean pull out a tape from the early 80's when Vince was a broadcaser/interviewer and compare it to how he looks now. How the hell does he go from 150 lbs of "Pencil Neck Geek" as "Classy" Freddie Blassie used to call him, to like 240 lbs of ripped muscle? Yea, I guess he just worked out alot, LMFAO.

[Q-Unit]

Maybe congress should go after these guys instead of wasting their time on Giambi, Bonds, and whoever else they suspect has used steroids in MLB. At least Bonds, Giambi and the rest of the suspected MLB roid users never killed anyone.

should be both IMO. Steroids like Marijuana are more in demand, more expensive when you ban them, and dont regulate...just like online gambling.

we all may be adults but there's a little bit of kids in all of us. When our parents didnt let us stay up, or stay past curfew, or even eat cookies out of the jar, you think that ever stopped us?

I know these are more serious matters, but the principles apply. the actions of Benoit were deliberate, but who's to say its impossible for him to be "raging" only throughout the whole damn weekend, and isnt it possible to be very angry yet not make a mess at the same time?

I dont know much about steroids but from what beerman has posted, I would have to agree only on the fact that we cannot only assume roid rage was the cause.

either way, the underlying issue of steroid abuse, much like marijuana is handled wrongly when you try to tell people what and what they cant do. abuse will crop up.

I'm not bashing you Stif, but I have to disagree in terms of the fact that I think both MLB and Wrestling (and football ) need to be examined and dealt with closely.

you think this shyt is crazy, we dont need to sit around and wait til Bonds takes a bat to his family one day either! :nuts: :blackeye:

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

They knew about it in the morning? I thought the cops didnt enter the house till about 3pm on Monday?

The source said they had a pretty good idea because of text messages sent to WWE employees.

[GamblinMan03]

I agree with Stif....I haven't watched this bull**** for years....it turned into a soap opera based on stereotypes and sex. What happened to the good colourful characters, and technical wrestling? Where have you gone Super Fly Snuka? I know if I had kids, I wouldn't want them watching that garbage.

I also heard on the fan today that the WWE knew that it might have been a murder/suicide the morning of the "tribute" show, but didn't have anything else to put on, so they still ran it. Brutal.

This, the Eddie Guerrero thing, and the Owen Hart debacle (he dies, and the "show" goes on??). I hate the WWE.

They knew about it in the morning? I thought the cops didnt enter the house till about 3pm on Monday?

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

I agree with Stif....I haven't watched this bull**** for years....it turned into a soap opera based on stereotypes and sex. What happened to the good colourful characters, and technical wrestling? Where have you gone Super Fly Snuka? I know if I had kids, I wouldn't want them watching that garbage.

I also heard on the fan today that the WWE knew that it might have been a murder/suicide the morning of the "tribute" show, but didn't have anything else to put on, so they still ran it. Brutal.

This, the Eddie Guerrero thing, and the Owen Hart debacle (he dies, and the "show" goes on??). I hate the WWE.

[GamblinMan03]

I think the evidence is pretty clear he did it all himself. The deaths came hours and even days apart. Not exactly the kind of thing that happens when your talking about a "hit".

[birdsfan5]

The more I read about this case, the more I am convinced, there was someone else involved!:beer2: Time will tell!

I get the feeling he may not have killed them or himself that maybe it was something like a Hit. It is very sad that a 7 year old kid is gone.

[homedawg]

The more I read about this case, the more I am convinced, there was someone else involved!:beer2: Time will tell!

[homedawg]

Chris Benoit Text Messages Released - The tragic case of Chris Benoit and family just keeps getting more bizarre with every new detail released.
Several interesting and complex text messages sent by Benoit early on Sunday morning prompted concerned friends to alert Richard Hering, the VP of Government Relations for WWE, Inc. who then spoke to Fayette County sheriffs Monday.

Chris Benoit sent the series of text messages, some from his dead wife's cell phone.

According to WWE.com, all five text messages were sent between 3:53 AM and 3:58 AM on June 24. He then committed suicide, report our friends at TMZ.com.


The text messages disclosed that Chris Benoit distributed information on the whereabouts of his remains, and the enclosed location of his attack dogs.

Below are the times and content of some of the text messages, courtesy of TMZ.com





* 3:53 AM - Chris Benoit's cell phone: "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayeteville Georgia. 30215"
* 3:53 AM - Chris Benoit's cell phone: "The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open."
* 3:54 AM - Nancy Benoit's cell phone: "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayeteville Georgia. 30215"
* 3:55 AM - Nancy Benoit's cell phone: "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayeteville Georgia. 30215"
* 3:58 AM - Nancy Benoit's cell phone: "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayeteville Georgia. 30215"


:nuts:

[beermantm]

beerman- I agree with a lot of what you said, but I don't agree that there is no such thing as "roid rage". It's clinically proven that steroids cause serious, to dangerous, mood swings and affect personality and mental states. While there might not be "roid rage" in the stereotypic form most people associate the term with, it definitely is a prevalent, IMHO.

I've never seen the study that says this. Trust me I've done a huge amount of research on the subject so I know what you are saying but the mood swings are normally caused by not cycling the drug correctly. If you steadily increase the dosage of the drug up till a peak and then slowly lower the dosage in a pyramid fashion followed by post cycle therapy you should feel little if any mood alteration. Roid rage is a "myth". Steroids do not make anyone act crazy or loss their temper. The unfortunate truth is that certain people that have a disposition for violence are drawn to the drug.(add muscle to an ******* and you get a Muscle Bound *******) Steroids work and if you use them correctly the harm that can be caused by them really drops to an insignificant amount. Cosmetically speaking you are taking on a much greater risk if you go to have liposuction done or women having a breast implant surgery than you are at risk from steroid use. Abuse on the other hand is something that can be done with just about any substance you put into your body. Take a bottle of aspirin and see where you land. Drink to much water and water becomes toxic. Anything you abuse can hurt you.

Steroids can have a bad physiological effect if you stay on the drugs to long, stack to many steroids together, and take to big a dosage.(dosage is a huge problem because more steroid does not mean more muscle it just means more work for your body) If you use steroids then go cold turkey you can slip into a depressed state. If you already suffer from some type of depressed state the depression brought on by a sudden withdrawal can be devastating. What has the same effect?? I don't know maybe Prozac and other anti depressants??? No one is screaming about those. I'm glad they aren't to because despite the bad press those drugs help a hell of a lot more people than they hurt.

The fact of the matter is that wrestling is not living a legit life. Everyone that knows about the WWE or what was the WWF and WCW knows what the behaviour of these guys are behind the scenes. They do a bunch of drugs, they don't sleep as much as they need, they abuse themselves physically and mentally and people are wondering why so many of them live short lives?? Nothing different than burn out rockstars that die young. Abuse your body long enough and it will turn on you.

The press is great for inaccurate information and they seem very convincing but lets look at the truth of the situation. This guy was clearly off his rocker and how he got there is probably a combo of a ton of different things he was doing wrong.

[GamblinMan03]

The WWE did a great job throughout this whole thing, dont know how anyone could say otherwise. First of all the facts didnt come out when they aired at 8pm on Monday. They went ahead and did a tribute show and at the time it was the right move.

Later that night, some facts came out about what happened and on the wwe website, they removed all Chris Benoit merchandise and tributes that were posted earlier.

Dont know what they could have done different because the facts were not out on Monday. No one can say they ran a tribute show to a murderer because at the time they werent sure of what happened.

[AddictedToBetting]

I've seen **** like this on the Discovery Channel about exorcism. Crazy **** there. I'm a Christian myself and at times, I believe in exorcism and how a devil poses the body. Yes, this is just random information, but after reading through the news article about a bible next to his wife and son body, it tingles my mind about how a person can act crazy like this.

[Nigel Tufnel]

This whole Benoit thing is just mindboggling. I used to watch wrasslin' from time to time back in the day....haven't seen it in a long time...wouldn't consider myself a "fan," but more of a casual observer...you know, when nothing else was on TV. What little I do know about wrestling is that Benoit was one of the best performers ever. He had the respect of everyone in the industry....not a bad word was ever said about him. And he does this? Its shocking because it goes against everything everyone has ever said about him as a person.

I'm not going to sit here and say it was "roid rage" because I simply don't know enough about it....but something is going on. It could be a combination of the rigors of the schedule, the beating the body takes, the stress of the lifesyle combined with steroid and other prescription pain killers that could all be combined to send a person over the deep end...just sad, disgusting and really, really strange.

I agree with you, Stiff. The WWE knew Benoit was dead on Monday and aired a three hour tribute to him. They didn't know all the facts, but I would be willing to bet they knew something....they now look like the idiots. I saw some clips of some of the testimonials from the wrestlers and looking back in hindsight, I would be willing to bet they knew he killed his family on Monday night. Several wrestlers went as far to say, "I'm not going to comment on Chris Benoit the person....I'm going to comment on him as a wrestler....and then they would talk about his passion and professionalism. Those guys KNEW what happened, and yet, the WWE gives him a 3 hour tribute. At the very least, the WWE should have aired a "best of" and not had Benoit in the clips...they should have waited until the facts came out....but like I said, they friggin' knew....they knew.

I know that it was Benoit's disgusting actions that killed his family....but something deep down inside of me hopes that the WWE doesn't get out of this whole mess unscathed....I mean, Benoit broke his neck a few years ago...should he have even been able to wrestle after that? On the road 330 days a year, taking painkillers, steroids, getting your ass thrown around a ring every night, being away from your family all year....talk about a recipe for disaster.

He could have found out his wife was having an affair or something....rage from steroids, depression from painkillers.....that's all it could have taken.

Sad and disgusting.

Edit -- I realize that many wrestlers have broken their necks and continued to wrestle...Steve Austin and Kurt Angle come to mind....and I realize they get cleared by doctors....but, come on....common sense says that you probably shouldn't get dropped on your head every night if you've already broken your neck. Its all about the $$$. The pressure to get back into the ring has resulted in these guys being so doped up on painkillers, steroids, etc. Just because it happens doesn't mean its right.